[Rumour] Friedman: Flames have begun contract negotiations with Gaudreau

[3rd Degree]

[QUOTE=Reign of Fire;7913693]

Originally Posted by 3rd Degree

Maybe if they gave Johnny someone better than Monahan, things would be different.

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[Moneyhands23]

When is the earliest day he could sign?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

When is the earliest day he could sign?

10am MDT on July 28.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Good thing option 2 is just a scenario you have in your head and not reality

TBD. If re-signed, I think the odds are far greater that his contract has negative implications on the next rebuild than him being a key contributor to the Flames winning multiple playoff rounds during that contract.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

TBD. If re-signed, I think the odds are far greater that his contract has negative implications on the next rebuild than him being a key contributor to the Flames winning multiple playoff rounds during that contract.

I think you got it wrong if you want a rebuild. Flames trade Johnny this summer he is going in a hockey deal to win now. If he is signed and is moved later
The return will likely be a futures based deal.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by 3rd Degree

In my opinion you package Johnny, Monahan, and whatever else it takes to get Eichel. We need a #1 stud Center to build around.

Monahan and Gaudreau are not the pieces needed to land Eichel, Monahan has been broken for 3 straight years and Gaudreau has one year left on his contract, Chucky would have to be a starting point for Eichel.

[3rd Degree]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Monahan and Gaudreau are not the pieces needed to land Eichel, Monahan has been broken for 3 straight years and Gaudreau has one year left on his contract, Chucky would have to be a starting point for Eichel.

Chucky is the kind of player you build around. You do not trade him unless he absolutely will not sign. He has alligator blood! If the rumours of him being neutered after the Leafs game are to be believed, then the bitches who don’t like being dragged into chucky’s awesomeness are the ones that need to go!

[3rd Degree]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Monahan and Gaudreau are not the pieces needed to land Eichel, Monahan has been broken for 3 straight years and Gaudreau has one year left on his contract, Chucky would have to be a starting point for Eichel.

If they aren’t the pieces (which I could see) then trade them for the pieces that are. This core is going nowhere. If someone thinks they are, then why haven’t they done a thing to this point? What do you honestly think will be different next season? Hope is not a strategy.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by 3rd Degree

What do you honestly think will be different next season?

I can answer that:

A proper coach, a proper system, a proper training camp, and proper practices.

Several teams went through the same thing last year: long losing streaks during times when their schedule was insanely compressed. If you're playing a lot and everything goes well, fine. But if you're playing a lot and things start to go badly, you don't have the time to fix it in practice. You just keep playing one game after another and watching it go from bad to worse. That is a recipe for failure in any kind of public performance, not just in sports. ‘How do you get to Carnegie Hall? Practise, practise, practise.’

Montreal, Vancouver, and Buffalo were among the teams that saw the wheels fall off when they had little or no practice time. For the Flames the effect was even worse. They played sound enough hockey their first three games. Then they had the utterly stupid CBA-mandated five-day break, during which they are not even allowed to practice; then a stretch of too many games in too few days, when they had no time to make any meaningful changes. Of course their team play went to hell and never came back.

Darryl Sutter as much as told us that the Flames haven't seen his system yet, because there was no time last season to show the players how he wanted them to play. He made the changes he could – tweaks instead of an overhaul.

It's said that the biggest change Sutter made was to get the team to practise at game speed, which says a lot about how badly they were coached before. But if all they did was to repeat the same bad habits fast instead of slow, it wasn't going to do them a lot of good. Next season we'll see what happens when they actually practise doing the right things at game speed. I'm betting it will make more difference than anyone expects.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by 3rd Degree

If they aren’t the pieces (which I could see) then trade them for the pieces that are. This core is going nowhere. If someone thinks they are, then why haven’t they done a thing to this point? What do you honestly think will be different next season? Hope is not a strategy.

Seems highly unlikely the Flames are gonna trade Gaudreau and Monahan and then immediately trade those pieces. Not to mention the pieces you get back are likely similar or worse. If you want Eichel you're most likely trading Tkachuk as the starting point.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by 3rd Degree

If they aren’t the pieces (which I could see) then trade them for the pieces that are. This core is going nowhere. If someone thinks they are, then why haven’t they done a thing to this point? What do you honestly think will be different next season? Hope is not a strategy.

The whole core doesn't need to go, I'll take Monahan to the airport in a rickshaw but Gaudreau needs to stay as he's our only offensive dynamic player.

If Treliving can turn Monahan into a piece that can land Eichel he should get GM of the year before the season starts.

[Psytic]

Honestly just due to going back to the Pacific they will make it to the PO even doing absolutely nothing. I just hope they dont pat themselves on the back and say problem solved.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Honestly just due to going back to the Pacific they will make it to the PO even doing absolutely nothing. I just hope they dont pat themselves on the back and say problem solved.

The North was way weaker than the Pacific.

[stang]

Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

The North was way weaker than the Pacific.

Disagree very much so.

[AC]

Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

The North was way weaker than the Pacific.

Well, this season the Pacific will be:
Anaheim Ducks
Calgary Flames
Edmonton Oilers
Los Angeles Kings
San Jose Sharks
Seattle Kraken
Vancouver Canucks
Vegas Golden Knights

[3rd Degree]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

The whole core doesn't need to go, I'll take Monahan to the airport in a rickshaw but Gaudreau needs to stay as he's our only offensive dynamic player.

If Treliving can turn Monahan into a piece that can land Eichel he should get GM of the year before the season starts.

If Gaudreau was on another team, would you fear him the way we should McKinnon? He’s not the guy to lead us to the promised land. He has no killer instinct. Probably a very nice guy but ….

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Gaudreau played with Ritchie for less than a half season at most. He normally has had, along with Monahan: Hudler, Ferland, Lindholm, with a sprinkling of Bennett, Tkachuk, Neal , Robinson, Leivo, Mangiapane, Simon, Backlund, Chiasson, etc.

Kane has had linemates like Caggiula, Strome, Anisimov, Schmaltz, Suter etc.

Strome, Schmaltz, and Suter are all good players. Anisimov was, too, when he was in CHI.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by AC

Well, this season the Pacific will be:
Anaheim Ducks
Calgary Flames
Edmonton Oilers
Los Angeles Kings
San Jose Sharks
Seattle Kraken
Vancouver Canucks
Vegas Golden Knights

Might have two good teams in total.

And no, one of those are not the Edmonton Oilers.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by 3rd Degree

If Gaudreau was on another team, would you fear him the way we should McKinnon? He’s not the guy to lead us to the promised land. He has no killer instinct. Probably a very nice guy but ….

After about 100 posts we get it, you hate Gaudreau but the attacks are getting tiresome dude, he's our best offensive player by a long shot, like it or not he drives this teams offence and until we can possibly find a replacement please shut your pie hole(all due respect of course)

[3rd Degree]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

After about 100 posts we get it, you hate Gaudreau but the attacks are getting tiresome dude, he's our best offensive player by a long shot, like it or not he drives this teams offence and until we can possibly find a replacement please shut your pie hole(all due respect of course)

I don’t hate anyone. All I care about is the flames building a team that can compete. If you think spending the resources required to keep Johnny will result in a winner then we agree to disagree. Johnny is built for the regular season. If you don’t see the difference between playoff and regular season hockey then again, we have nothing to debate.