[Signing] Oilers re-sign RNH (8yrs, $5.125 mil AAV, full NMC)

[Enoch Root]

Term matters.

Sure RNH could have gotten $6M per, if he went UFA. But for no more than 5 or 6 years.

Maybe $6.5, if the term is 4 or 5 years.

But 8 years at $5.125 is more expensive than 6 x 6, IMO.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think he gets $6 x 6 on the open market pretty easily

He's a UFA center that's still only 28 and those guys are hard to come by.

The term is too long but this is a good AAV for the Oilers

I think it's a good AAV too, but it's hard to know what UFA's will get this year.

I think he would be looking in the $5.5-6.5 range over 4-5 years on the free market. His 5v5 production is a red flag, and seems to get his points as a winger on the pp, and he's soft.

I can't think of a team out there believing they are "one Ryan Nugent-Hopkins" away from being a contender.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Term matters.

Sure RNH could have gotten $6M per, if he went UFA. But for no more than 5 or 6 years.

Maybe $6.5, if the term is 4 or 5 years.

But 8 years at $5.125 is more expensive than 6 x 6, IMO.

Term matters and at some point it might be a bad contract. But timing a team to be a contender matters too. The oilers have 4 years to figure it out and 4 years at 5.15 is better than 4 years at 6.5.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I think it's a good AAV too, but it's hard to know what UFA's will get this year.

I think he would be looking in the $5.5-6.5 range over 4-5 years on the free market. His 5v5 production is a red flag, and seems to get his points as a winger on the pp, and he's soft.

I can't think of a team out there believing they are "one Ryan Nugent-Hopkins" away from being a contender.

All the guys who signed in that range - Anderson, Mantha, etc, were expected to continue to improve their production. I don’t know that I’d expect that out of RNH.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Gross. Would you take Backlund’s doppelgänger at 7.5x4?

RNH is such an unimpressive player IMO.

It’s not what I would do, but if I woke up and we had the player on our roster, I wouldn’t rank it among Tre’s worst decisions.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I think it's a good AAV too, but it's hard to know what UFA's will get this year.

I think he would be looking in the $5.5-6.5 range over 4-5 years on the free market. His 5v5 production is a red flag, and seems to get his points as a winger on the pp, and he's soft.

I can't think of a team out there believing they are "one Ryan Nugent-Hopkins" away from being a contender.

Not to mention the powerplay situation as well.

He was literally on every second (all three forwards averaged 4:00 / game in the last two regular seasons) with two dynamic forwards on what has been the league's best powerplay.

In fact not even close ... Edmonton over the last two years has scored 10.6 powerplay goals per 60 minutes of powerplay ice time. Next closest team is Carolina at 9.1.

And that his five on five production in the last two years is pretty pedestrian for a guy that spent almost 62% of the time with one of the two big boys.

Imagine signing him for say 5 years and $6.5M and then playing him with players he's supposed to elevate?

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

All the guys who signed in that range - Anderson, Mantha, etc, were expected to continue to improve their production. I don’t know that I’d expect that out of RNH.

Very good point. There is really no upside to drive his value higher (a low magic beans quotient if you will). other teams could see him leaving the Oilers PP (#1 and #2 the last two years) as creating more downside risk.

It does only take one bonkers GM though.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think he gets $6 x 6 on the open market pretty easily

He's a UFA center that's still only 28 and those guys are hard to come by.

The term is too long but this is a good AAV for the Oilers

Thats why the term is too long.

Longer term + NMC = Lower AAV

The Oilers were desperate to keep him, and thats likely the dollars they could commit to him, but they had to spread it out to be able to make it work.

The Oilers are banking on the cap increasing and it not being a problem and RNH doesnt care either way. Spreading the money out is actually better for him.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I wouldn’t have been upset if Treliving got Nuge at something like 7x6 in UFA.

Holy hell.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not to mention the powerplay situation as well.

He was literally on every second (all three forwards averaged 4:00 / game in the last two regular seasons) with two dynamic forwards on what has been the league's best powerplay.

In fact not even close ... Edmonton over the last two years has scored 10.6 powerplay goals per 60 minutes of powerplay ice time. Next closest team is Carolina at 9.1.

And that his five on five production in the last two years is pretty pedestrian for a guy that spent almost 62% of the time with one of the two big boys.

Imagine signing him for say 5 years and $6.5M and then playing him with players he's supposed to elevate?

Even though I do agree with this and nuge is overrated IMO 5.15 is a good deal. Draisaitl is overrated too and both nuge and Leon’s numbers are bad when playing away from the other top 2 players. But IMO the oilers other players are terrible. What if nuge or Leon actually play with other good players? Is it strictly because they suck without Mcdavid or is it because the rest of the players suck? Leon nuge and yaomoto have looked good together. If they add a good goalie and some wingers to play with Mcdavid they could be tough. Nuge taking less for more term helps.

Maybe Holland messes it up but this is a good start to their off season

[transplant99]

Speaking of McDavid

https://twitter.com/user/status/1410019810528870401

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not to mention the powerplay situation as well.

He was literally on every second (all three forwards averaged 4:00 / game in the last two regular seasons) with two dynamic forwards on what has been the league's best powerplay.

In fact not even close ... Edmonton over the last two years has scored 10.6 powerplay goals per 60 minutes of powerplay ice time. Next closest team is Carolina at 9.1.

And that his five on five production in the last two years is pretty pedestrian for a guy that spent almost 62% of the time with one of the two big boys.

Imagine signing him for say 5 years and $6.5M and then playing him with players he's supposed to elevate?

I mentioned in post 3 of this thread that he has become a powerplay specialist. I just don't think you lock up a player like this to 8 years on the back half of their career especially when they are pedestrian 5 on 5. I know we are supposed to question anything the Oilers do but I would question any team that would sign a 28 year old player like this for 8 years. They aren't a cup contender today with him so I just don't understand why they felt they couldn't let go of him for most of the next decade.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I mentioned in post 3 of this thread that he has become a powerplay specialist. I just don't think you lock up a player like this to 8 years on the back half of their career especially when they are pedestrian 5 on 5. I know we are supposed to question anything the Oilers do but I would question any team that would sign a 28 year old player like this for 8 years. They aren't a cup contender today with him so I just don't understand why they felt they couldn't let go of him for most of the next decade.

As with most things the Oilers do, it's optics.Announce his the same day McDavid gets an award, giving the fans hope that him and McDavid and Drai are going to all be there as a dynamic forward line until almost 2030.

They still can't attract UFAs due to the heirachy behind the scenes. So over pay (in term for sure, even AAV) for a very soft single dimensional player. But they can't afford to lose him because no one is coming back the other way in a few weeks as UFA, even with the "Come to Edmonton and you can sniff Connor's jock" line they've tried in the past, so they have no choice to sign someone that hasn't expressly indicated they want to leave.

And they can spin he wants to be an Oiler for life and took a hometown discount to placate the Pavlovian canines that thier fanbase is largely comprised of.

He can tune out now and collect $40m dollars and continue to float. If he played his cards right and took a 2 or 3 year deal for a bit more AAV, and, had his top talent reemerge like Eberle or Hall did when they got out of the gulag, he'd make a lot more in the next 8 years than $40M. But he took safety and security over wanting to be part of a winning team. You'd think he's been around there enough to not fall for the "wait until next year because everyone wants to play with McDavid" BS that team,media and fans cling to.

So, like McDavid signing long term, he's made his bed and is stuck there until they ask him to waive an NTC in 3 or 4 seasons, by then we'll past his useful prime to have a chance to play a meaningful role on a contending team.

Edit: Predictably, Terry Jones' article is light on reason why he's going to be useful for the Oilers on the ice until he's 36, instead focuses over half the article in detail on how he will be the longest serving Oiler in year 5 of the deal as far as games played, and not concidentelly allows Jones to once again dust off name dropping the Oilers 80s players once again.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Holy hell.

Signing a 28 year old UFA centre for one year less and $1M more AAV than he got from his own team.

“Holy Hell” indeed.

[flamingred89]

All this deal tells me is that the Nuge values his time off more than dollar bills. Having the next 8 April to Septembers off ain't too shabby.

[MrMike]

This is a deal for Edmonton in comparison to what they have to over pay for in free agency, if anyone else would actually want to go there.

[zamler]

8 years is going to suck the ever living life out of him. Horrendous contract this one will end badly.

[powderjunkie]

T minus 367 days until mavI NMC kicks in, and he inevitably requests a trade.

The following 7 years don't really matter, but RNH will have the distinction of participating in rebuilds 2.0-6.0.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by MrMike

This is a deal for Edmonton in comparison to what they have to over pay for in free agency, if anyone else would actually want to go there.

Exactly. If they wanted to upgrade on nuge via free agency it probably cost them $9 mil for a player that isn’t a sure fire upgrade.

Nuge could have signed 2 years for league min and people would still say bad deal not enough term they won’t be good until that contract expires anyways. This is a good deal for them and could set the oilers up this off season and moving forward. Their next moves could be huge for them. I’m really hoping Holland screws the next move up

[Jacks]

Exactly. If they wanted to upgrade on nuge via free agency it probably cost them $9 mil for a player that isn’t a sure fire upgrade.

Nuge could have signed 2 years for league min and people would still say bad deal not enough term they won’t be good until that contract expires anyways. This is a good deal for them and could set the oilers up this off season and moving forward. Their next moves could be huge for them. I’m really hoping Holland screws the next move up

I can't imagine anyone would have actually said that.