Johnny Gaudreau - re-sign or trade?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I dunno. Each day that passes with him not being canned significantly increases the probability he won't be.

I imagine his future will be determined when he has his meeting with ownership whenever that may be. I get the feeling the owners will be talking to Darryl first for his opinion of the GM's work. Given what Darryl has said in the media it appears on the surface that he's not a fan of the GM's work but I don't always put a lot of stock in what Darryl says to the media. I wouldn't be surprised if he stays on if only because of the financial repercussions of firing him and hiring another GM who's probably going to want to make more organizational changes as I'm sure an incoming GM may not have use for Maloney and hopefully Sigalet.

[1qqaaz]

According to Friedman, Johnny's agent backs what was said in yesterday's presser.
Johnny wanted to set the narrative early so people don't question any potential reservations.

[ComixZone]

If this team isn’t going to tank, I don’t see how they can trade Gaudreau.

Best offensive player and he wants to be here. This team without Gaudreau is a giant talentless sack of offensive ineptitude.

He wants to be here? Get him extended.

Getting him away from Monahan was huge.

[DomeFoam]

Brad said in his presser there's holes on this team, but I don't think he has any idea what those are because he believes he filled them all last summer. He's going to have to find a way to get Eichel cause whether he believes it or not that's the hole he needs to fill now if he wants to keep this train going - someone to play with Johnny who is as or more skilled.

[Poe969]

The answer has to be "maybe". If Gaudreau is asking 10x8 then I think they have to move him. If he's willing to actually take a discount in order to help build a stronger team, you keep him. If another team makes an offer that is too good to pass up, you have to take it. If they decide that they have to do a major rebiuld, you have to trade him. If NJ offers up 2 unprotected first round picks and a top prospect, would you really say no? If the only offer you get is a first and a second, it's not worth trading him. If they're only going to "retool" and can actually get Eichel, you keep Johnny to play with him and hope it sticks.

I think they have to explore every option and not just with him. If a team is going to make an incredible offer for any of the players, or if you can get huge returns for multiple players, you have to look at the long term success of the team. I've completely lost faith in Treliving and I really don't think he should be the one making these decisions because I think he's more concerned about himself than the team at this point.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

If this team isn’t going to tank, I don’t see how they can trade Gaudreau.

Best offensive player and he wants to be here. This team without Gaudreau is a giant talentless sack of offensive ineptitude.

He wants to be here? Get him extended.

Getting him away from Monahan was huge.

Maybe, but in my view someone from the core will be moved

(i.e. It won't be Monahan - injuries, limited value)

[flambers]

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

Brad said in his presser there's holes on this team, but I don't think he has any idea what those are because he believes he filled them all last summer. He's going to have to find a way to get Eichel cause whether he believes it or not that's the hole he needs to fill now if he wants to keep this train going - someone to play with Johnny who is as or more skilled.

While it would be great to obtain Eichel

Personally I don't see it, other teams simply have way more to offer.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

According to Friedman, Johnny's agent backs what was said in yesterday's presser.
Johnny wanted to set the narrative early so people don't question any potential reservations.

That's great but wanting to re-sign is only part of the equation as the hard part is getting the money and term to work for both parties. I am fine with paying $$$ for Gaudreau but he can't be the guy carrying a line as teams figured that out playing with a one-dimensional shooter in Monahan and a plugger RW they could solely focus on Johnny and shut the line down. He looked a lot better playing with a guy like Tkachuk who can distribute the puck and take pressure off Gaudreau. One thing for sure is that if they invest long term in Johnny, this business of rotating bottom 6 pluggers on his RW has to end.

[Parallex]

I think if you can make meaningful improvements around him then you keep and extend him... otherwise it's time to start the rebuild.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by flambers

While it would be great to obtain Eichel

Personally I don't see it, other teams simply have way more to offer.

All depends on what Buffalo targets. Tkachuk is an established star player which may be more enticing than prospects. Buffalo would probably also love to send Jack to the west.

I don’t think Calgary is a front runner but I think they have a pretty intriguing package that they can build around Tkachuk. With Gaudreau expressing interest in staying I think going hard after Eichel makes the most sense as a plan A for this franchise.

Eichel, Gaudreau, Lindholm, Monahan(healthy) Mangiapane, Backlund, Dube
Hanifin, Tanev, Andersson, Valimaki
Markstrom

Assuming Gio goes to Seattle and there is a deal around Tkachuk and Eichel that would be the core of the team with some cap flexibility to make some moves. I personally think that team with Darryl Sutter as coach could be a cup contender.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

All depends on what Buffalo targets. Tkachuk is an established star player which may be more enticing than prospects. Buffalo would probably also love to send Jack to the west.

I don’t think Calgary is a front runner but I think they have a pretty intriguing package that they can build around Tkachuk. With Gaudreau expressing interest in staying I think going hard after Eichel makes the most sense as a plan A for this franchise.

Eichel, Gaudreau, Lindholm, Monahan(healthy) Mangiapane, Backlund, Dube
Hanifin, Tanev, Andersson, Valimaki
Markstrom

Assuming Gio goes to Seattle and there is a deal around Tkachuk and Eichel that would be the core of the team with some cap flexibility to make some moves. I personally think that team with Darryl Sutter as coach could be a cup contender.

I would think the Sabres are going to look for blue chip type of players

I am sure lots of teams will be very interested in this type of player

My guess Flames are not a contender in this type of a trade

They are in the middle somewhere,

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by flambers

While it would be great to obtain Eichel

Personally I don't see it, other teams simply have way more to offer.

Any team can offer a bunch of first round picks but I'm not so sure that a 23 year old US born Matthew Tkachuk is something a lot of teams have to offer.

[Poe969]

The kings can offer a Kings ransom lol. They have a few decent young players but their prospect pool is incredible. TKachuck will be making 9 mill soon and those kids are all cost controlled for a long time.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Any team can offer a bunch of first round picks but I'm not so sure that a 23 year old US born Matthew Tkachuk is something a lot of teams have to offer.

I would think they will want another top line type of center in return.

I doubt Tkachuk fits what they are searching for.

Centers are tough to find,

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

If this team isn’t going to tank, I don’t see how they can trade Gaudreau.

Best offensive player and he wants to be here. This team without Gaudreau is a giant talentless sack of offensive ineptitude.

He wants to be here? Get him extended.

Getting him away from Monahan was huge.

Only if they get nothing back in return....which is not what will happen.

[Poe969]

If we were going to trade Tka#### at this point and a team like the kings offered Byfield, Kaliyev and other prospects and picks, it would be really hard to turn that down.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Poe969

If we were going to trade Tka#### at this point and a team like the kings offered Byfield, Kaliyev and other prospects and picks, it would be really hard to turn that down.

I think the Rangers would be willing to pay a steep price after being accused of being soft. A hard nosed in your face player like Tkachuk would be high on their list.

[---Hatrick---]

I can’t see LA offering up Byfield. His ceiling is as high or higher than Eichel in many peoples eyes. That and the Eichel injury concerns, why take the risk there

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by flambers

I would think they will want another top line type of center in return.

I doubt Tkachuk fits what they are searching for.

Centers are tough to find,

Well I think offering Monahan as part of the package would be a starting point.

[GettinIggyWithIt]

The Rangers have a lot to offer. However the Sabres may not want Eichel to stay in the East. If that's the case, Rangers will need to pay a premium to make the deal.

The Kings would have to offer Byfield, and at least one of Kaliyev/Turcotte and a 1st rounder I would imagine. Both are great prospects but both are unproven so the Sabres would be taking a risk. Perhaps they would feel that's less of a risk with Byfield and if they get enough rounds in the chamber, they are ok with trading a franchise centre for that.

If they want a proven young player, Kings don't have it. Tkachuk + is the better option for them. Depends on what the Sabres want. A package around Tkachuk going out west would be attractive but if the Kings are willing to ante up Byfield and a couple of their top prospects like Kaliyev, and the Sabres want a package of prospects, then that's the deal they'll go for.

My guess is that Tkachuk is much more highly thought of around the league than we think. Most teams would likely equate any shortcomings to the Flames rather than the player. Especially given what they are seeing with Bennet in Florida. Just my opinion.