2020 off-season - what now?

[djsFlames]

Trade for Iggy, a time machine, and we're golden.

[Igottago]

What would it realistically take to get 1st overall from the Rangers?
The Flames need an elite can't miss star player like Lafraniere. Could the Flames put a compelling enough package together?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

But why?

if the team is better, it's marginal at best, especially with losing Brodie.

Why half-ass a rebuild? Adding Hall makes it less likely we pick high. Why not trade everyone not named Tkachuk, Andersson, Mangiapane, and Dube?

If the team is going to a tear down don’t assume Tkachuk is part of the group. He will demand a trade.

I think what Comix is stating is the exact path the Flames should go. If you can get either high picks or high end prospects for Gaudreau and Monahan those players are coming soon that will hopefully add significantly to the core of Tkachuk, Hall, Lindholm, Dube, Mangipane, Bennett, Valimaki, Andersson, Hanifin.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If the team is going to a tear down don’t assume Tkachuk is part of the group. He will demand a trade.

I think what Comix is stating is the exact path the Flames should go. If you can get either high picks or high end prospects for Gaudreau and Monahan those players are coming soon that will hopefully add significantly to the core of Tkachuk, Hall, Lindholm, Dube, Mangipane, Bennett, Valimaki, Andersson, Hanifin.

I'm just using Tkachuk et al. as examples. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Flames trade Tkachuk purely because his contract isn't structured well for a team looking to rebuild.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I'm just using Tkachuk et al. as examples. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Flames trade Tkachuk purely because his contract isn't structured well for a team looking to rebuild.

Flames aren't a team looking to rebuild...like it or not

Flames would have likely won their playoff series with ANY contribution from the "top line" IMO they are going to find a new top line

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames aren't a team looking to rebuild...like it or not

I'm not saying the Flames will do or won't do anything. I'm presenting what I think the Flames should do. That's the whole point of this thread.

Half-ass, band-aid, avoiding the pain solutions are why the Flames are in this mess to begin with.

[8sPOT]

Thats the rub folks. People throwing around 'trade Johnny and Monahan' like its a quick buyout or something. I agree one of them should be traded and I think thats Johnny.

But these are franchise altering moves. Have to get it right, plain and simple. For the first time since he was new I'm a little nervous with Treliving being the guy making the call. Makes me wonder how much input Conroy provides. Big offseason no question.

[Joborule]

If I was the GM, I would trade Gaudreau, Monahan, and Backlund. Johnny and Sean I actually think will bring in good hauls for picks and prospects because they are still young players on the right side of 30, and have multiple years in their contracts. And really, if they have the appropriate linemate with them, they can light up the stat sheet then.

With the trades you've seen around the league the past several years around both the draft and the deadline, there's no reason that there shouldn't be a bidding war for Gaudreau and Monahan, and Flames can come out ahead in a good spot from what they haul.

With Backlund, he's an effective defensive centreman that can produce offensively from time to time. His age is at a point that the Flames, or rather Backlund, likely won't be as effective anymore by the point the Flames are a competitive playoff team again if they commit to a retool/rebuild this off season. So get something for him while he still an attractive asset to a team that's a contender.

There's a debate on whether Flames should rebuild or retool. Fortunately, the Flames have enough young players that could still progress on their roster, that it doesn't have to be your typically full on rebuild. Flames could ship out some players, but keep a fair amount, and see how they grow. Due to that, the Flames likely won't be bad enough to be bottom 5 in the league. So unless they get really lucky in the lottery, they still may not be in the position to draft in the top 3 to get that coveted superstar #1 centre.

But I don't believe you have to have that player in order to win a cup. But I do think you do need you're #1 centre to be a player that can create their own scoring chances, and be the stir for the line as a whole. And on top of that, you need the top 9 to have a good level of depth that each can contribute offensively. Both of those can be addressed if the Flames have an ample amount of early round picks in the 1st half of each round for the next couple of years, since it'll increase the likelihood of a player(s) panning out to be a good, and perhaps even great player. And with the players the Flames do have and should keep, part of the work is already done if they stick around. Shoot, maybe a player or two on the roster breakout to become the impact player that the Flames really need.

So, my general strategy would be to focus on moves that are future oriented, and retain and stock up on young players that are productive, and show signs of progressing still.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You really think those guys would come here if the Flames trade those two guys for picks and don't add anything else

No I don't.

Getting a good coach is #1 on the to-do list.

If it happens, I don't think a rebuild is possible.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

But why?

if the team is better, it's marginal at best, especially with losing Brodie.

Why half-ass a rebuild? Adding Hall makes it less likely we pick high. Why not trade everyone not named Tkachuk, Andersson, Mangiapane, and Dube?

Actually, adding Hall would give them a better chance at 1st overall based on his history, LOL

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by Igottago

What would it realistically take to get 1st overall from the Rangers?
The Flames need an elite can't miss star player like Lafraniere. Could the Flames put a compelling enough package together?

No, I don’t think so.

[Jaydee]

Originally Posted by Igottago

What would it realistically take to get 1st overall from the Rangers?
The Flames need an elite can't miss star player like Lafraniere. Could the Flames put a compelling enough package together?

Gaudreau 50% retained + Monahan

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

But why?

if the team is better, it's marginal at best, especially with losing Brodie.

Why half-ass a rebuild? Adding Hall makes it less likely we pick high. Why not trade everyone not named Tkachuk, Andersson, Mangiapane, and Dube?

Well, for one Taylor Hall guarantees a first overall.



But more importantly it gives the younger players in our core group some forward momentum. Tkachuk, Bennett, Dube, Mangiapane, Andersson need some help going forward.

If we, say, do snag New Jersey's 7th Overall for Johnny and Buffalo's 8th overall for Sean - then we're drafting two of Drysdale, Perfetti, Rossi and Lundell...hell, maybe one of those picks goes to Yaskarov - but regardless, you're getting two top end pieces and a bunch of cap-space. Young players are ready faster these days. It wouldn't be wild to see those two picks turn into roster players in 2021/2022 (if we're calling next season 2020/2021).

I doubt Hall would sign here without Johnny and Sean though, which - so be it.

I'm just of the thought that this team shouldn't ignore any "free" assets of Hall's quality.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

Gaudreau 50% retained + Monahan

Rangers still say no in my view.
The only conversation that goes anywhere starts with Tkachuk+

[Corral]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

That doesn’t seem fair.

Ward threw him in ice cold after not playing a game for half a year in the most important game of the year.

Of course he was rusty and looked terrible.

Thinking more like he will want to be moved. Benched in the playoffs and then showcased like that last night. Terrible for his career. I bet he is pissed

[Harry Lime]

I think that there are some internal changes that should be made.

New coach.

Move Gio from the #1 guy to the #3. Reduced usage would see higher effectiveness, and the younger guys have enough games under their belts to shoulder the load. Also, move Kylington to the right, where luckily Gio has experience playing with that kind of player.

Hanifin - Andersson
Giordano - Kylington
Valimaki - Veteran UFA/trade

Dube, Bennett and Mangiapane are all ready for a bigger role on the team. NO UFA FILLERS!

[Dude Where's Makar?]

First time poster long time lurker. I figured it's time to join in!

For me I think this is a perfect time to shake up the core and retool/compete on the fly.

Johnny out for a bluechip prospect (potentially 7th from NJ) while replacing his offensive production with a bigger body/ similar production in Taylor Hall.

I would also send a message by trading Giordano and giving the C to Tkachuk. Again, you'll bring in great future assets/blue chip prospect, and replace his minutes with a guy like Joel Edmundson. (younger, cheaper, he's won a cup recently, physical, and plays left side like Gio)

These two moves completely shake up the core, the salary is likely a wash with Hall > Johnny and Gio > Edmundson. You've replaced the production, minutes, etc with two good players, and injected some much needed future assets to come up the pipelines. New faces, new leadership, a bigger more physical team, and hopefully some brighter days.

Finally this team needs to acquire a legitimate top 15 goaltender. Lehner and Markstrom are both up for grabs, but we need constant stability back there.

[Ashasx]

I don't think Giordano is tradeable right now. Big AAV, still a couple years left, and played like a 3rd pairing defenceman in the playoffs. Unfortunately just another contract you have to wait to come off the books.

[Dude Where's Makar?]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't think Giordano is tradeable right now. Big AAV, still a couple years left, and played like a 3rd pairing defenceman in the playoffs. Unfortunately just another contract you have to wait to come off the books.

I disagree. One season removed from a Norris trophy and still logs big minutes. I could see teams easily giving up valuable assets to acquire his services. Especially contending teams.

[Ashasx]

Maybe if the cap was staying flat for the foreseeable future. Contending teams can't afford to add $6.75MM in cap for a player who may be a 2nd pairing defenceman at best.

That's a huge risk to take and I don't think cap space has ever been more valuable than it is right now.

But I could be absolutely wrong