[News] UPD: Coyotes say Chayka has quit as Coyotes GM

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Not sure why Coyotes owners are mad? If they wanted him to stay so badly then don’t grant permission to the the other team to talk to your guy.

The story is that they initially refused permission. Then Chayka convinced the owner that the interview was just to establish relationships with another NHL club and he wasn't going to seriously consider the offer.

The other club blew away Chayka with their offer and Chayka went back on his word to the Coyotes trying to take the job offer.

[bluejays]

What’s clear about this situation was there was simply a breakdown in communication. What has to be decided upon was who’s lying or being dishonest. One of the writers wrote that John is meticulous and well thought out, so I do really wonder if he was fully truthful, or if he even needed to be, with his intentions. What’s also clear is he really pissed off his main sponsor, the owner. I get both sides, because personal opportunity is important. But there was a communication breakdown and between the millionaire vs. billionaire debate I’d guess both have big egos and were probably dishonest to one another.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

Why bother with a contract? If another organization is trying to snag an asset from you that you invest in.. wouldn't you want to be compensated in some manner? At least? or expect your asset to honor their end of the deal?

Well yeah. Hold him to the terms of his non-compete. If he wants to be released from that, you can ask for consideration. That happens all the time.

That's a little different than the public humiliation approach the team is going with.

[Red_Baron]

If I had spoken with someone else-with my boss's permission and then my loyalty was challenged by that same boss in front of others, I would think long and hard about whether that person is worthy of pledging loyalty to.
For all we know, that could have been the tipping point.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

And, if looking at it from the other side, who wouldn't take or even listen to a much better career opportunity out of respect for their current employer?

Exactly. This is my opinion as well. You’ve gotta put yourself in his shoes. Sure, maybe it could be debated that he could have handled it differently, but the debate should be how and what specific steps not saying he needs to make grandiose Trump-like mafia style verbal commitments in a meeting in front of coworkers. That request alone is bizarre enough to make a practical person re-think the intelligence of the CEO in the first place.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

The one thing that I keep thinking about is, if the position that he's seeking is NOT a President of Hockey Ops or GM position then why does Bettman or anyone need to come in and mediate? If it was head of analytics for the Mets, Sixers, Devils and Crystal Palace then by the letter of his contract he should be able to take that job.

[Erick Estrada]

Maybe it's me but this may be a good thing for the Coyotes. They seemed to be stuck in neutral under Chayka. Sullivan only needs to be an average GM to maintain the status quo and if he's more than that they are in a better place.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Well yeah. Hold him to the terms of his non-compete. If he wants to be released from that, you can ask for consideration. That happens all the time.

That's a little different than the public humiliation approach the team is going with.

Non-competes are BS. You can easily squash that in court.

Public humiliation is like a tattoo.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

The one thing that I keep thinking about is, if the position that he's seeking is NOT a President of Hockey Ops or GM position then why does Bettman or anyone need to come in and mediate? If it was head of analytics for the Mets, Sixers, Devils and Crystal Palace then by the letter of his contract he should be able to take that job.

Thinking out loud here, but it could open up a shell game...what if the Flames hired away Stan Bowman to be President of Sports Ops for CSEC...does anyone think he's spending any time on the Stamps or Roughnecks?

[MrMike]

I wouldn't compare the Stamps or Roughnecks with the Mets and Sixers

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Non-competes are BS. You can easily squash that in court.

Public humiliation is like a tattoo.

As a general statement, they aren't BS, they are enforceable, but only to a point. If the employer is protecting a legitimate business interest, they won't be squashed outright. In this case I would think duration would be the big argument - it would be pretty reasonable, for example, to say that he can't be hired by a new team until after the draft, because the Coyotes want to protect their draft prep. Arguably, you could say he can't be hired until after a certain period of free agency has gone by, for similar reasons, but that's on shakier ground. The longest I can see holding him out from being able to join a new team is the start of next season, but that seems unlikely.

However, take all of this with a grain of salt, as this isn't my area nor do I practice law in Arizona.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Does anyone know if there was a clause that disallowed Chayka to remove himself as GM at any point in time? Don't know if this is included at all.

[agulati]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Thinking out loud here, but it could open up a shell game...what if the Flames hired away Stan Bowman to be President of Sports Ops for CSEC...does anyone think he's spending any time on the Stamps or Roughnecks?

The calibre of teams being discussed won't be the same TBH. Devils, 76ers, minority stake in Steelers, QPR, Potentially the Mets. It makes sense for an ownership group to create an analytics team to manage multiple sports, if they are able to increase efficacy and efficiency.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Does anyone know if there was a clause that disallowed Chayka to remove himself as GM at any point in time? Don't know if this is included at all.

Not sure what you mean? You can always quit, just like you can be fired.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

As a general statement, they aren't BS, they are enforceable, but only to a point. If the employer is protecting a legitimate business interest, they won't be squashed outright. In this case I would think duration would be the big argument - it would be pretty reasonable, for example, to say that he can't be hired by a new team until after the draft, because the Coyotes want to protect their draft prep. Arguably, you could say he can't be hired until after a certain period of free agency has gone by, for similar reasons, but that's on shakier ground. The longest I can see holding him out from being able to join a new team is the start of next season, but that seems unlikely.

However, take all of this with a grain of salt, as this isn't my area nor do I practice law in Arizona.

While you're right to a point, I think it would be something more in line with him not being able to participate in the Devils until post draft, but all of the rest of those are entirely distinct sports and business entities.

I kind of agree with Crosby's Hat, it does seem like this is a perfectly legitimate job for him to take.

I understand the Coyotes owner would be pissed because as far as hes concerned he had a loyal employee that he had a good relationship with and he made some big-dollar decisions based on that and now hes being left twisting in the wind.

But that being said...I'd be stunned if that owner hadnt done the same thing himself countless times over his own career.

I hate equating the concept of 'Just Business' as a lack of morals or ethics, but someone apparently came along and made Chayka an offer he couldnt refuse. What do you expect the guy to do? He cant just say no because he made a promise to this billionaire who could fire his ass tomorrow just because he feels like it.

[kyuss275]

Read an article saying Friedman thinks offer from ownership to Hall was $7.25 million for 5 years. Anybody else see anything like this written from Friedman?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Read an article saying Friedman thinks offer from ownership to Hall was $7.25 million for 5 years. Anybody else see anything like this written from Friedman?

"Thought" #1: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...-chayka-split/

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by MrMike

I wouldn't compare the Stamps or Roughnecks with the Mets and Sixers

Neither would I. I’m just saying most franchises are part of broader organizations. Skirting a NCC can’t/shouldn’t be as simple as putting the parent org on a business card


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Read an article saying Friedman thinks offer from ownership to Hall was $7.25 million for 5 years. Anybody else see anything like this written from Friedman?

I have to imagine he's going to ask for more than that in free agency. It will be interesting to see what the Flames plan on offering him.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Read an article saying Friedman thinks offer from ownership to Hall was $7.25 million for 5 years. Anybody else see anything like this written from Friedman?

I heard Friedman on the radio last week saying he thought they offered Hall $7.5 million but that term was the sticking point.