2020 NHL Entry Draft

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Those numbers on the team he played on are actually outstanding. Quick's save percentage in the ECHL was .905 on a much better roster.

Those numbers dont even crack the top 20 for the league. In the ECHL. Hardly a stand out.

Anyways, hopefully you are right and there is still something there but he's no lock to succeed by any stretch that should be keeping the Flames from drafting any more goalies.

[Harry Lime]

Tristen Robins (RC, Canada, Saskatoon WHL)

I’ve made the Brayden Point comparison a couple times — seeing similarities in their playing style and suggesting Robins could be a Point-type steal in the third round — but now I’m thinking Robins will be gone by the third round, with the potential to go in the top 50. (Brady Fisher HockeyWriters)

It's a deep draft class in the first round this year, and teams are holding onto picks like gold, but that depth has put a lot of wildcards in play for the second round. Teams could generally be less timid about letting second rounders go.

Robins is an example of who should be there for Calgary's existing pick, but there are a few names which travel from pick 32 to 61 really quickly depending on who is ranking them.

[Jiri Hrdina]

This mock draft....
https://thehockeywriters.com/calgary...20-mock-draft/

Has the Flames taking
#16 - Jack Quinn (goal scorer, but among the older players at the draft, and has some skating concerns - could be a great pick or a terrible one)
#47 - Thomas Bordealeu
#96 - Nica Daws (over aged goalie - people will loooooove that)
#140 - Marko Stacha
#171 - Luke Prokop (Hitmen kid)
#202 - Kristain Tanus

This one:
https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/calgary/48/

Has
#16: Seth Jarvis
#47: Justin Sourdif
#96: Landon Slaggert
#140: Bryan Thomson
#171: Jack Works
#202: Adam Wilsby

Lots of good forwards will be available at 16. In addition to Quinn and Jarvis you could also have the likes of Dawson Mercer, Dylan Holloway, Rodion Amirov, Noel Gunler and Connor Zary.

[dammage79]

Quinn, Gunler, Jarvis are all dream picks. After that I'd prefer Amirov. Probably the best option after them.

And Jarvis isn't 5'9. Closer to 5'11.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Tristen Robins (RC, Canada, Saskatoon WHL)



It's a deep draft class in the first round this year, and teams are holding onto picks like gold, but that depth has put a lot of wildcards in play for the second round. Teams could generally be less timid about letting second rounders go.

Robins is an example of who should be there for Calgary's existing pick, but there are a few names which travel from pick 32 to 61 really quickly depending on who is ranking them.

Point had a much higher point per game pace during his draft year, despite being much younger. Plus, Point had much better stats in his WHL rookie year. Point had almost twice as many points as anyone else on his team. Robins' totals are almost the same as Crnkovic's and Walford's.

I don't think Robins' upside is anywhere near as high.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Point had a much higher point per game pace during his draft year, despite being much younger. Plus, Point had much better stats in his WHL rookie year. Point had almost twice as many points as anyone else on his team. Robins' totals are almost the same as Crnkovic's and Walford's.

I don't think Robins' upside is anywhere near as high.

Robins point total escalated dramatically in the latter half of the year, when he was given more responsibility. I pointed him out because he was trending in the right direction. Pro-rated over a full season for his recent production would put him in the first round. He will remain in juniors next year, and this is the kind of player that could do really well in a retrospective sense.

Plus, with some of the reading that I've done, it's starting to be evident that players with skating issues can put up some big numbers in junior. No skating issues here.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Robins point total escalated dramatically in the latter half of the year, when he was given more responsibility. I pointed him out because he was trending in the right direction. Pro-rated over a full season for his recent production would put him in the first round. He will remain in juniors next year, and this is the kind of player that could do really well in a retrospective sense.

Plus, with some of the reading that I've done, it's starting to be evident that players with skating issues can put up some big numbers in junior. No skating issues here.

Similar to Adam Beckman last year. Minnesota stole him.where they took him.

[Sandman]

I would be a little concerned with drafting Quinn, at least in the top half of the first round-I wonder how much his numbers are inflated playing with Rossi. I do like Gunler, Jarvis, Amirov, Zary, and Mercer. All just my opinion.

[Monahammer]

Quinn seems like a great kid but shouts bust at the top of his lungs imo. The motor on that team is Rossi (yes they didn't always play together, but Quinn takes advantage of d focus having to be on Rossi.)

I'm concerned that the "depth" of this draft is an artifact of a lot of players being very comparable talent wise. It seems to me there's a definite ledge around 12, then between 13-60 is almost random. I have seen mock drafts from the same source with two different writers placing players 15th and 47th (it was Jan Mysak.) The point being I am not so sure about the strength of the mid first round.

Jarvis seems like a good pick but I am a bit concerned of Baertschi syndrome.

Zary seems very interesting but by all accounts has a 2nd line ceiling

Hendrix Lapierre has the big ceiling but no one knows if he'll ever be able to absord a breeze without injury.

etc. etc. etc.

Very nervous about this draft as a flames fan. We are right outside the perceived drop off in talent. That could mean someone really exceptional does fall to us, or it could mean (as history shows us as flames fans) that we whiff on someone- or we trade down to take someone Jankowski like and wind up fooling ourselves again.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I just don't have a good feeling about Gunler. I would love to eat crow, but he seems like a guy that wouldn't be able to get past the bottom 6 on an NHL team. I've got no evidence or stats to back this up, it's just a hunch.

[SportsJunky]

I see Pronman updated his draft rankings today. He's moved Jack Quinn up from 21 to 15 as of this morning.

Updated June 16: Moved from No. 21 to No. 15 – After discussing Quinn more with NHL scouts, watching more video and valuing more how he was such a driver on a top CHL team, I decided to move him up several slots.

Quinn had a massive 18-year-old season in the OHL, scoring 50 goals as a leading player on the best CHL team and breaking out into a legitimate top prospect. He scored a ton of goals, but I wouldn’t really call him an elite sniper. Rather Quinn is just a super skilled and smart player who scored a lot of goals around the net. He has very quick twitch hands and the ability to embarrass defenders 1-on-1. He sees the ice at a top-end level even though he didn’t have nearly as many assists as goals. It’s not just his vision, but his overall creativity and patience. He often saw plays on the ice that I couldn’t see materialize. The main reason for his sudden rise in stock was the continued improvement in his skating. It’s not a strength of his, it’s no longer a weakness, but it will be his main hurdle for the NHL level. Quinn is solid off the puck, playing PK for Ottawa, although I wouldn’t call him a physical player.

Andre Tourigny, coach of the Ottawa 67’s, on Quinn: “He has a lot of skill. He has great hockey sense, he’s smooth, he can shoot it, and competes away from the puck.

[dammage79]

If you don't have reservations about players in a draft , ypure gonna have a bad time. Yeah all these players have their quirks but its trying to read between the lines to get your answer.

Take Quinn for an example. Mediocre stats prior to this season, needed to take training seriously and did, he trains with Girouxs trainer. Once he got his body taken care of his talent blossomed into a 52 goal 66 games played season. L
He will go higher than we think, i believe. Like 8-12.

Jarvis too. Wasn't focused on the game and focused on the draft. Coach set him straight and went on a tear afterwards. Dude has mega talent but only put it on display late.

These guys took care of their business late, but that shouldn't deter teams from taking them high.

[dammage79]

One more thing about Quinn and I made mention of it a page or two back, he has a really good knack for elevating the puck in close of the net. Kelly Hrudey harps on that in his game calls. Quinn is special IMO in that he has a nice shot but has that killer touch in close that everyone covets or as a player wish they could do. He makes it look easy and can do it forehand or backhand. Thats a major "IT" factor IMO that over comes a players deficiencies like skating or other things. The guy likes the front of the net and it doesn't matter how he gets there, but he can finish. And that's a skill the Flames desperately need.

[Sandman]

There was a while there where all the mock drafts were listing Tyson Foerster in the middle of the second round, which I was very happy with cuz I would love for us to have a crack at him. Seems like all the talk about him has made a difference, and he is pegged now to go in the latter part of the first round. Plays a bit of a power game, goes to the net hard, has some size (6'1"), and skates ok-not a burner. 80 points in 62 games for the Barrie Colts-the next highest scorer on that team has 47pts. He's a RW as well...

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by dammage79

One more thing about Quinn and I made mention of it a page or two back, he has a really good knack for elevating the puck in close of the net. Kelly Hrudey harps on that in his game calls. Quinn is special IMO in that he has a nice shot but has that killer touch in close that everyone covets or as a player wish they could do. He makes it look easy and can do it forehand or backhand. Thats a major "IT" factor IMO that over comes a players deficiencies like skating or other things. The guy likes the front of the net and it doesn't matter how he gets there, but he can finish. And that's a skill the Flames desperately need.

You nailed it here.
Quinn seems to have some serious finish, especially in front of the net and up close. I think this is why he may go higher than we think he will.

I'd love to take Quinn at 16, you can work on foot speed etc but he's as good up close as Monahan was in his draft year.
I'd take a RHS RW with a great shot, good finish and a solid 1 timer any day.

It's really too bad about Hendrix Lapierre, had the kid not been made of glass I think he'd be a lock for the top 5.
I feel he's going to to be the big fall of the 1st round, any team selecting him is taking a big gamble that could pay out HUGE but could also bust super easy.
3 concussions in 1 year... just a shame for a kid with that much talent.

[Freeway]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If you don't have reservations about players in a draft , ypure gonna have a bad time. Yeah all these players have their quirks but its trying to read between the lines to get your answer.

Take Quinn for an example. Mediocre stats prior to this season, needed to take training seriously and did, he trains with Girouxs trainer. Once he got his body taken care of his talent blossomed into a 52 goal 66 games played season. L
He will go higher than we think, i believe. Like 8-12.

Jarvis too. Wasn't focused on the game and focused on the draft. Coach set him straight and went on a tear afterwards. Dude has mega talent but only put it on display late.

These guys took care of their business late, but that shouldn't deter teams from taking them high.

I worked a Hitmen game against Portland. Jarvis was so good. The music between the notes of his game, so to speak, are superb.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Freeway

I worked a Hitmen game against Portland. Jarvis was so good. The music between the notes of his game, so to speak, are superb.

It's probably PURELY based on Baertschi fear but Portland Winterhawks prospects scare me

[Freeway]

Originally Posted by Royle9

It's probably PURELY based on Baertschi fear but Portland Winterhawks prospects scare me

When he's on, he's ON. Great motor, good positioning. Arguably no elite aspects to his game aside from his hockey sense, but that's good enough.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Freeway

When he's on, he's ON. Great motor, good positioning. Arguably no elite aspects to his game aside from his hockey sense, but that's good enough.

He's the guy I want the Flames to strongly be looking at if the Flames make it past the QC. With that pick, we would ideally want a RW that can play in the top 6. A RW duo of Lindholm and Jarvis or Jarvis and Mangiapane (if Lindholm plays center) is ideal.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Freeway

When he's on, he's ON. Great motor, good positioning. Arguably no elite aspects to his game aside from his hockey sense, but that's good enough.

I don't know, if he improves his skating like Barzal did, that'd be elite, he's already fast AF. With gaudreau esque levels of edgework and slipperyness already at his disposal.

He has room to grow thats for sure. He's gaining on Gunler for me. But Gunler is still my guy.