Brad Treliving “surprised” Mangiapane isn’t signed

[FlamesAddiction]

Nm

[bdubbs]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Words

You posted this same thing 3 pages back and nobody bit and now you're reposting it, why?

[Superfraggle]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It’s also important to remember the Tkachuk does what he does on the 2nd line and 2nd power play unit. IMO, he is a first line talent playing lower on the roster than we would be on most teams. With Johnny locked in for a while, I can see why Tkachuk would want to control his destiny sooner rather than later. I think he is driven to be be the #1 winger wherever he plays.

Not a popular opinion I am sure, but I would trade Johnny for an equally productive RW and move Tkachuk to the top line. His playmaking abilities are not far behind Johnny’s. Johnny’s contract probably gives him even more value in a trade.

Now I will duck for cover.

Tkachuk's on the top powerplay unit.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The next question is how many years of Tkachuk does 6.85M buy?

3 years @ 6.75 on similar deal to Meier

Year 1 5 mil 4 in bonuses
Year 2 5 mil 4 in bonuses
Year 3 10.25 mil

[crapshoot]

I don't really see the point of all this from Mangiapanes perspective. Just sign the deal and focus on taking another step. What good will this dispute do if it derails the beginning of the season? Future earnings depends on performance this upcoming season, so just get on with it already.

[Macho0978]

Only way I sign mangipane to 900k or more is on a 2 year deal. Otherwise 800 to 850k is best he should get

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by crapshoot

I don't really see the point of all this from Mangiapanes perspective. Just sign the deal and focus on taking another step. What good will this dispute do if it derails the beginning of the season? Future earnings depends on performance this upcoming season, so just get on with it already.

He has potential but he also has potential to have a short insignificant career as well. 2 years @ 850k is 1.7 mil guaranteed and a good opportunity to prove yourself but guarantee yourself 1.7 mil.

A holdout and 900 k on 1 year deal and a bad season could hurt his career badly. There are lots of players who are bubble players who are as good just not getting the chance

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by bdubbs

You posted this same thing 3 pages back and nobody bit and now you're reposting it, why?

Oh weird. I am not sure what happened there. I had the post written on my phone browser when I opened it as if it was never submitted because I contemplated not posting it. I must have posted it without realizing and hit back by mistake.

[Harry Lime]

The only thing that I can think of is that Mangiapane wants a one way contract and is not being offered one. The only way that he can 'bet on himself' is if he is in the NHL, and there has to be at least a little pressure on keeping him up, if he can produce. From that perspective, I can see him digging his heels in.

[FlamesAddiction]

And I can see him playing for the Spengler Cup this year if that is the case.

Which sucks because he will be playing against inferior competition. That could have a huge negative impact on his development.

[powderjunkie]

Wasn't Giordano leaving as much about playing time as anything? It's a lot harder to crack the D side of the roster - most teams have at least 4 guys in ink and 1-2 guys in heavy pencil. That season:

Phaneuf
Regehr
Aucoin
Sarich
Warrener

Eriksson (signed as UFA that summer)
David Hale (acquired by trade the previous season)

The top 4 played 76+ games each; Warrener only managed 31 and it ended up being his last season. A top 6 role was anything but guaranteed for Gio.

Different kettle of fish for forwards; the last 4-5 spots (including press box) tend to be up for grabs.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Wasn't Giordano leaving as much about playing time as anything? It's a lot harder to crack the D side of the roster - most teams have at least 4 guys in ink and 1-2 guys in heavy pencil. That season:

Phaneuf
Regehr
Aucoin
Sarich
Warrener

Eriksson (signed as UFA that summer)
David Hale (acquired by trade the previous season)

The top 4 played 76+ games each; Warrener only managed 31 and it ended up being his last season. A top 6 role was anything but guaranteed for Gio.

Different kettle of fish for forwards; the last 4-5 spots (including press box) tend to be up for grabs.

I thought Giordano held out because we wanted a one-way contract. His NHL experience allowed the Flames to offer a 2-way contract, which he had no interest in signing, so he went to the KHL.

At the time,, Giordano was probably a full time NHL player, but it wasn't unreasonable to consider him a bubble player not worth big minutes and that he might be better served getting more ice-time in the AHL than spot duty in the NHL. He was in that awkward position of being right on the cusp. Then in Russia, he was paired with Markov, to whom Gio credits a lot of his development. He was able to be paired with a legitimate NHL caliber talent and get big minutes.

It worked well for Gio, but I wouldn't bank on it working well every time. If Mangiapane were to go to the KHL, there is just as much of a chance that he gets on a line with sub-NHL or even sub-AHL talent. It would be a huge gamble IMO.

Gio is the exception to the rule. Most of the time a player leaves the NHL for Europe, they don't develop much after that or rarely even come back as teams move on to the next flavour of the month.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The next question is how many years of Tkachuk does 6.85M buy?

Tkachuk being paid this little would be a disaster IMO. It would mean the contract only has 3-5 years max.
Well, technically 3 would be good if he were still an RFA afterwards.

But my point is, term is far more important that AAV for Tkachuk. The dollar amount this year hardly matters. If they need to make more room, then they need to make more room.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Oh weird. I am not sure what happened there. I had the post written on my phone browser when I opened it as if it was never submitted because I contemplated not posting it. I must have posted it without realizing and hit back by mistake.

That's happened to me before on my phone where I post something and then hours later open my phone again and it posts it again.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by blankall

I see where Mangiapane is coming from. He's 23 with 54 total NHL games played. He's far from a guarantee to even be an NHL regular, and a random injury could end an NHL player's career at any point. Mangiapane needs to squeeze as much out of this positive point in his career as possible. $200k could mean the difference between him having to take some mediocre job in 10 years or not.

I don’t think 200k ensures that, at all. But I agree, nothing is guaranteed for him and he’s trying to make as much money as possible.

[bettercallbettman]

Let him rot

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Dube

Let him rot

That’s constructive

[Toonage]

Well, deconstructive really.

[Bingo]

Honestly guys ...

No point in hating on the owners, the GM, the agent or the player. It's a process that every player goes through. Agents job is to maximize his client's salary, GMs job is to save dollars every where he can.

Not a big deal.

[dammage79]

Just hope Mangipanes agent doesnt negotiate the kid off of the team over 200k.

Hes a good useful up and come who could end up trade bait if his agent doesnt calm the eff down.