Can the Flames win a cup with Johnny Hockey as the man ?

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Send Gaudreau to Philly for their 1st and Couturier.
Send Jankowski and our 1st to NJ for Hall.
Send Monahan to Buffalo for Reinhart
Send Brodie to Florida for Hoffman
Promote Valimaki full time
Send James Neal to the moon.

you're not getting even one year of Hall for a soft big man in Jankowski and a pick around 25th overall.

what else you going to add?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

Interesting, what would it take to get Sean Couturier? He is now 26, it seems like the Flyers be on a younger timeline than the Flames?

If we're speculating about trading Gaudreau, the Flyers are an obvious choice. They're getting impatient, and ownership wants to win now not later (which is why Hextall was fired). And Gaudreau would sell tickets. I think the Flyers would offer Patrick +, but Treliving might be able wrangle them into making Couturier the centrepiece.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Send Gaudreau to Philly for their 1st and Couturier.
Send Jankowski and our 1st to NJ for Hall.
Send Monahan to Buffalo for Reinhart
Send Brodie to Florida for Hoffman
Promote Valimaki full time
Send James Neal to the moon.

NJ says hell no but even if they didn't this team would be worse than the Oilers.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If we're speculating about trading Gaudreau, the Flyers are an obvious choice. They're getting impatient, and ownership wants to win now not later (which is why Hextall was fired). And Gaudreau would sell tickets. I think the Flyers would offer Patrick +, but Treliving might be able wrangle them into making Couturier the centrepiece.

I would rather have Patrick + if that extra piece is a guy like Konecny

[Macho0978]

I don't think Johnny is the issue. He might be when he gets paid big money in a couple years

For me Monahan is more an issue. Not that he isn't good but he just doesn't bring enough to the table. This allows teams to key in on Johnny. The Avs are basically forcing others to carry puck through neutral zone as Johnny is the only real threat in transition

This team needs to add a top 2 line center. Imo Jankowski needs to step up or move for an upgrade. A center who can skate and help on the pp

This team also needs a big physical dman. How hard have Cole nemeth and zadorov been to play against. Johnson too. MacKinnon has no fear coming in on our d. We don't need brodie when we got gio andersson and hanifin. Hamonic is good but he isn't a beast physically either. Valimaki played well last night and hes a big kid. But they need to add a physical dman who isn't slow

Also could use a couple big fast forwards to compliment our small skill guys. Hathaway been ok but someone like him just bigger. Jankowski is neither fast or physical. Too soft and doesn't compliment this team as overall this team is soft. Frolik needs to go for speed too. Someone to compliment Tkachuk as he also isn't a great skater despite being a great player

I believe in this team i just think a different mix can change how we look at this team. Neal also needs to go too slow to hit anyone or get scoring chances. Unfortunately we are stuck with him

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Send Gaudreau to Philly for their 1st and Couturier.

I would say Couturier is more valuable than Gaudreau

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Red

Johnny is an excellent top line winger.
Monahan is an excellent top line C.

Which statement is more true?

IMO Johnny is fine. We just need to upgrade on Monahan so he could then replace Jankowski.
Hard to get a big top line C though. Maybe they go after some older guys as a stop gap. Doesn't have to be a huge scorer, just a big guy that can gain the zone and drive play.

If you add a qualifier, in the playoffs, then I'm not sure which statement is more true because Gaudreau does not look like a top line winger in the playoffs at all. I'd say Monahan and Gaudreau look equally as incompetent the past 3 games.

Johnny hasn't been fine since game 1. We need more out of him. And scapegoating Monahan for Gaudreau's problems isn't the answer either.

I really don't know if Monahan or Gaudreau is a problem. We don't have all the information we need. We need to know about injuries. We need to see if they show up tomorrow and the rest of the series.

But I haven't been happy with their compete. We need warriors. We need people to step up and play above themselves. Johnny is playing below himself. He's a shell of his regular season form. Can he turn it around? I sure hope so.

But this idea that Johnny should get a pass because Monahan has been meh is the wrong thinking IMO. Johnny is our most important player and our lack of offence is directly related to his struggles. He hasn't been good enough and he needs to own that and the fans need to realize that and not excuse his play.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Bonded

100% but who trades a Barkov for Gaudreau?

If that happens please change my name to Aleksander Makarov!~!

I love that guy!

[djsFlames]

Not the way he's playing now.

November - January Gaudreau? Sure. But does he show up outside of those months?

[BrennyBaller]

I saw a theory on a subreddit after game 3 that Johnny and Mony may have had a falling out and that is why they don't seem to have the same chemistry/don't appear to be having fun anymore. I was wondering if anyone else has had this thought. I hadn't until I saw it but it got me thinking it isn't impossible. Haven't done purple gato in while. Whenever they connected on goals it was more of a "business as usual" celly than a excited one. Thoughts?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Send Gaudreau to Philly for their 1st and Couturier.
Send Jankowski and our 1st to NJ for Hall.
Send Monahan to Buffalo for Reinhart
Send Brodie to Florida for Hoffman
Promote Valimaki full time
Send James Neal to the moon.

Couturier has more value than Johnny.

He scores quite a bit (back to back 76 point seasons), and is a Selke type centre man. Johnny scores but is pretty much a one dimensional winger who you want to trade because of playoff failures. Why would Philly trade their #1 centre?

The moon wouldn't accept Neal, return to sender. You need to spend real assets to get rid of his cap hit.

[CliffFletcher]

The playoffs are a different game. Players have less time and space, and the refs let a lot of stuff go. Gaudreau is a small, light, weak player. It may be the case that even at 100 per cent compete level, Gaudreau simply isn't as effective a player in the playoffs as in the regular season.

If there's any improvement to be had, I expect it's more a matter of training and diet than trying harder on the ice.

[me_dennis]

Originally Posted by BrennyBaller

I saw a theory on a subreddit after game 3 that Johnny and Mony may have had a falling out and that is why they don't seem to have the same chemistry/don't appear to be having fun anymore. I was wondering if anyone else has had this thought. I hadn't until I saw it but it got me thinking it isn't impossible. Haven't done purple gato in while. Whenever they connected on goals it was more of a "business as usual" celly than a excited one. Thoughts?

Johnny did shake his head in anger when Monahan tried to take his head off with a stray shot the other night.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by BrennyBaller

I saw a theory on a subreddit after game 3 that Johnny and Mony may have had a falling out and that is why they don't seem to have the same chemistry/don't appear to be having fun anymore. I was wondering if anyone else has had this thought. I hadn't until I saw it but it got me thinking it isn't impossible. Haven't done purple gato in while. Whenever they connected on goals it was more of a "business as usual" celly than a excited one. Thoughts?

Now we are getting into the players cheated on the girlfriend speculation territory, it was only time. If that is the case and they hate each other personally than I think they would have been broken up a while ago.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If we're speculating about trading Gaudreau, the Flyers are an obvious choice. They're getting impatient, and ownership wants to win now not later (which is why Hextall was fired). And Gaudreau would sell tickets. I think the Flyers would offer Patrick +, but Treliving might be able wrangle them into making Couturier the centrepiece.

Now Patrick might be available for Johnny.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Now Patrick might be available for Johnny.

Sure. But Patrick hasn't shown much in the NHL.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Sure. But Patrick hasn't shown much in the NHL.

Yeah, I don't think I would even like that trade as the Flames.

[Beninho]

After this performance it’s hard to not believe this core doesn’t need an adjustment. There are glaring weaknesses we all can see and it will be up to Treliving to fix them. The present roster has been exposed in two straight playoff debacles, the one major positive is that the flames won’t need to worry about the backend, as Valimaki and Andersson look set to fill in for both Brodie and Hamonic once they are gone. The forward situation leaves a lot to be desired, no idea what steps the flames will decide to take.


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[Beninho]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The playoffs are a different game. Players have less time and space, and the refs let a lot of stuff go. Gaudreau is a small, light, weak player. It may be the case that even at 100 per cent compete level, Gaudreau simply isn't as effective a player in the playoffs as in the regular season.

If there's any improvement to be had, I expect it's more a matter of training and diet than trying harder on the ice.

It would help if he wasn’t the only one on his line that can create their own offence.


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[keenan87]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

I commented to you in the PGT.

why should the flames trade Gaudreau for only one year of hall? seems like a bad idea.

and let's say they did. you think he'd take less than 10M per year to stay on the flames?

while we're at it, no way the bolts would trade you Point for Monahan. never ever.


brodie might get you a lower 1st round pick the way he's played the past 3 years.
questionable if Frolik at this point gets you a second. maybe again, one at th elower end.

I think Hall will sign with Calgary if it comes to that and honestly, if he can play like a Hart trophy winner, I have 0 problems with paying him 10M per year. It would be nice to counter Mackinnon with our own superstar and I think Hall can take over a series like him.

As for Point, maybe he wants too much money. Tampa is struggling with cap and maybe it's a deal where Monahan's contract is the difference.