[PGT] Flames lose another boring one. 2-1 Dallas

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

But those were PP goals and he scored therefore he was plus 1!

Ha ha. Boomer actually noted this morning that if you ever wanted an example of how useless +/- is of a stat you can look at Brodie's +1 last night.

[Always Earned Never Given]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

It is. SN showed the stats during the LA game I think. It was during the intermission.

Flames were something like 29-5-? vs non playoff and 18-16-? vs playoff teams.

To me, this is probably one of the worst stats in hockey. You can beat teams that were in a playoff position in December or January but if for some reason that team gets injuries or start sliding, your wins swing on to the other side.

For those of you that favor this stat, lets say Clb pulls ahead of Mtl, well that stat would swing 4 games. And if a miracle would happen and Ari would win out and Dal stumble, that would be another 6 game swing so record would be like 23-12 !

Conclusion: Due to the fact that we don't play well against Dallas ever, this stat is skewed.

[dino7c]

Sharks have lost 6 in a row yet the Flames are "playing worse than any team heading into the playoffs"

Okay

Most of the top Western teams aren't winning....Jets just lost 5-2 to Dallas.

Vegas has lost 3 straight

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

It is. SN showed the stats during the LA game I think. It was during the intermission.

Flames were something like 29-5-? vs non playoff and 18-16-? vs playoff teams.

I'm sure almost every playoff team in the league has similar figures with the exception on the Lightning. Maybe not 18-16 against other playoff teams but 20-14 or something....nothing to see here.

The goals have dried up, but the team is playing the same way (for the most part) in all three zones as they were before. There's no huge reason for panic as there's plenty of time for this to come around before the post season.

[Toonage]

Radulov is a bull, so I'm not all that hung up on the 1st goal against but Rittich channeling Ramo on the 2nd goal irked me. What was he doing exactly?

Prior to that goal Brodie trying to find Hanifin had me shouting at the TV but the goal itself was the bigger WTF.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

If I was a betting man I would put my money on the Avs going into the 1st round if they play the Flames.

Even odds? I will take that bet

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Even odds? I will take that bet

Im thinking the money line is going to read CGY 1.25-1.50 to win series, COL 2.00-3.00 to win series somewhere in there.

[colbym72]

I didnt think Brodie was that bad last night. Yeah he got walked on that first goal (as did two others), but he also scored our lone goal, and 5v5 he was 80.65% CF and on for 3 high danger chances for with 0 against.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

So..2 crazy questions:
1- does this team really miss Bennett?? Is he a bit of a catalyst?

No, the team really misses Sean Moneyhands.

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

2 -What does Peters do tomorrow? Keep trying to let them work it out as is OR insert a couple of the extra guys for a slight change? (hello Quine, Use a call up on Dube?, Hello Kylington or Stone?)

No call up... but I think there probably is a addition/change to the line-up.

[Toonage]

^ Bennett in for Czarnik would be my guess

Maybe Kylington back in? Fantenberg has been great, but if they're looking for offensive catalysts they might want to make that change too.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford

Oh no, even at his peak, Invisiginla made appearances.

Especially at the start of seasons

True, I supposed October Iginla was still a meme when I was watching him. Thanks for jogging the ol' memory

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Surprised no mention of Brodie in the PGT.

First goal he does some lame flyby and lets Radulov by - to be fair there were two other guys on this play but I would hope the defenseman would be smart enough to not fly by with a stick check and let the guy behind you.

Second goal - he's got the puck at the behind the net with boatloads of time - he could have taken two steps and clear the puck, but instead tries a high difficulty pass to Hanifan who can't reach it, the Stars get possession back and score.

Two brutal plays - two goals.

The two other guys on the play are the reason he should have knocked Radulov on his arse. I know that is not Brodie's game but in that situation you have to separate.

Brodie is my daughters favorite player and she has rose colored glasses when it comes to him but even she threw him under the bus after that lame arse play.

Right on par with Virtanens fly by the other night....should have received the same criticism.

[Rollin22x]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Ya its a confidence thing too. Too much perimeter play. They keep going from the half wall to the D and back, repeat. Need to get some cross seam passes going and get some traffic/rebounds.

This is what I think the issue right now. They are not passing with a lot of confidence. During the last powerplay, most of the passes were easy to track or anticipate because they did not have the usual oomf behind them.
They've almost completely lost that fast transition that gave them good chances but also kept the opposing team on their heels.
Since it's a confidence issue, I think it's a good challenge for Peters and the coaching staff.
That first goal was baffling!

[LIP MAN]

We are now witnessing why upsets happen with high seeds at times. Next step for this team is to stay at the top and keep their “elite” position. Just a pre-playoff lull. I think long term splitting the lines up and reuniting them will be a positive for us. Getting the chances, just need to dig down and finish.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

There was an Athletic article on how a team is playing going into the playoffs matters. Well it's not a perfect indication of playoff success or disappointment it does appear that teams that play better down the stretch have a considerably higher chance of playoff success than teams that banked a lot of points in the first half of the season.

https://theathletic.com/881096/2019/...he-postseason/

Since you referenced that article, I'd like to point out that the three metrics it is implying do have some correlation to playoff success:

5v5 Corsi (last 25 games)
5v5 Score-Adjusted Fenwick (last 25 games)
Goal Differential (Full Season)

So let's look where the Flames actually stand in these metrics:

5v5 Corsi since Game 58:
58.01% - First in the NHL, First in the West

5v5 Score-Adjusted Fenwick since Game 58
57.60% - First in the NHL, First in the West

Goal Differential
+58, Second in the NHL, First in the West

And I'll toss this one out there too, All-Situations Goal% since Game 58
57.94% - 4th in the NHL, 2nd in the West

I full agree that the Flames have special teams areas that need cleaning up, but the idea that we're "playing poorly" heading into the playoffs seems to be a myth fixated specifically on our top players, as if the strong play of the other lines shouldn't factor in. If anything we would be a team that's "playing well" since Game 58, which would be the beginning of the final 25 games of the season.

The playoffs is a new season so the Flames will get a fresh start but history is not on their side here especially when you factor the past failures of this organization with home ice advantage in the playoffs.

I'm not sure what past failures have to do with the current roster. No player on the roster has ever played an NHL series with home ice advantage with the Flames. The Red Wings had home ice over Giordano's Flames in 2007. The Canucks had home ice over Brodie/Gaudreau's Flames in 2015. The Ducks have had home ice over us both in 2015 and 2017.

The players that have had home ice elsewhere (Neal, Frolik, Smith) have had success with it to my knowledge.

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

The two other guys on the play are the reason he should have knocked Radulov on his arse. I know that is not Brodie's game but in that situation you have to separate.

It was a loose puck for a fraction of a second after Lindholm knocked it away. That's why Brodie lunged at the puck.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Radulov is a bull, so I'm not all that hung up on the 1st goal against but Rittich channeling Ramo on the 2nd goal irked me. What was he doing exactly?

Prior to that goal Brodie trying to find Hanifin had me shouting at the TV but the goal itself was the bigger WTF.

First one: Lindholm gets his stick on the puck and chips it through Brodie’s legs, Radulov capitalizes.

second goal: Rittich was set and in position for back to back shot attempts that were both blocked and bounced perfectly to another Star. Not much he could do there.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Sharks have lost 6 in a row yet the Flames are "playing worse than any team heading into the playoffs"

Okay

Most of the top Western teams aren't winning....Jets just lost 5-2 to Dallas.

Vegas has lost 3 straight

What other teams are doing isn't relevant to the Flames. We know the Sharks aren't going to win the cup and are a good bet to get eliminated in the 1st round at the hands of the Knights so if they are your measuring stick then I suppose you are expecting failure?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Prior to the all star break these were the dominant CP discussions;

• The team's pace to eclipse the 1989 team's 117 points. Now it appears they aren't even going to break 110 points.
• Gaudreau in the Hart trophy discussion. He's now on pace to finish outside the NHL top 10 scoring.
• Monahan on pace for 45 goals. Still sitting at 31 goals which he's achieved a few times already in his career. Highly unlikely to get even 33 goals.
• Lindholm on pace for 90+ points. Unlikely to break 80 points.

The team hasn't only hit the wall, they have fallen off a cliff. Right now the only reason they are going to make the playoffs is because of the points they banked during the first 2/3 of the season as they are limping in the playoffs playing as poorly as any team that will make the dance.

There was an Athletic article on how a team is playing going into the playoffs matters. Well it's not a perfect indication of playoff success or disappointment it does appear that teams that play better down the stretch have a considerably higher chance of playoff success than teams that banked a lot of points in the first half of the season.

https://theathletic.com/881096/2019/...he-postseason/



The playoffs is a new season so the Flames will get a fresh start but history is not on their side here especially when you factor the past failures of this organization with home ice advantage in the playoffs.

Yeah, but the upset the chemistry at the deadline.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Yeah, but the upset the chemistry at the deadline.

I don't think Mark Stone was going to be the magic elixir for the Flames struggles.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't think Mark Stone was going to be the magic elixir for the Flames struggles.

Stone was the magic elixir for the Knights' struggles. I'm glad the Flames didn't give up Valimaki and a 1st, but Stone is one hell of a player who probably would have made an enormous difference here.