[News] Updated cost for Calgary to host the 2026 Olympic to be $5.23 billion.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by jayswin

You'd be surprised if you think local conservative news readers aren't incredibly powerful in this city. They get whipped up easily, Rick Bell being the best meat thrower and they number in the hundreds of thousands.

You mean the 80+year olds reading the paper at McDonalds and A&W every morning?
If that was the case Nenshi would never have been our mayor. Let alone win 3 elections.

Holy just read that last part. 100,000s? are you effing kidding me?? haha

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

You mean the 80+year olds reading the paper at McDonalds and A&W every morning?
If that was the case Nenshi would never have been our mayor. Let alone win 3 elections.

Holy just read that last part. 100,000s? are you effing kidding me?? haha

as opposed to your '10s of readers' comment?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

as opposed to your '10s of readers' comment?

10 is closer to the number of conservative Sun readers than 100,000....

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

You mean the 80+year olds reading the paper at McDonalds and A&W every morning?
If that was the case Nenshi would never have been our mayor. Let alone win 3 elections.

Holy just read that last part. 100,000s? are you effing kidding me?? haha

I didn't say there were 100,000's of Sun subscribers, I said there are 100,000'S of conservative citizens that will eat this kind of proposal to shreds, just stating that Rick Bell is the best in Calgary riling those citizens up.

It's not just Sun subscribers, it's citizens getting quick content from Sun articles posted on social media. among other sources.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Redliner

The really asinine bit is holding events in Whistler. Sorry, but it's not a Calgary Olympics if half of it is in another province.

Half? It's two sports, and two of the least-popular sports at that.

There are 4 ski jumping events and 3 nordic combined events in the Olympics. In Korea, the ski jumping venue was only used on 9 of the 16 days of the Games. 155 total athletes competed in the two sports in PyeongChang. Compare that to the 496 who competed in hockey and the 2922 total athletes.

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Rink stuff aside, I still can’t get over the use of Whistler.

That’s like having the figure skating in Winnipeg’s new rink.

No it's not. People actually like figure skating.

No one in Canada cares about ski jumping. The only time they ever have major ski jumping competitions in North America are the Olympics and any required pre-Olympic events.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

10 is closer to the number of conservative Sun readers than 100,000....

No it isn't. In it's heyday it was 300,000+ I believe (someone could correct me on that, as that info isn't released frequently), while in today's climate I wouldn't be surprised if it was still around 100,000.

Then you add in people just clicking on articles here and there (especially on major stories like this) and seeing the content displayed and discussed on social media, you're still likely looking at lots of people.

I'm actually surprised you'd be surprised by this. I think many see the falling of traditional media and maybe because of their social circles assume it's basically dead. It's dying, but still heavily ingrained in our society for now.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by jayswin

No it isn't. In it's heyday it was 300,000+ I believe (someone could correct me on that, as that info isn't released frequently), while in today's climate I wouldn't be surprised if it was still around 100,000.

Then you add in people just clicking on articles here and there (especially on major stories like this) and seeing the content displayed and discussed on social media, you're still likely looking at lots of people.

I'm actually surprised you'd be surprised by this.

Maybe you should google it. It's not even close to 100,000.

43,000 in 2015 and NO new stats the past 3 years. So maybe 30k max? prob closer to 25k. Like I said, if that was really the case Smith would be our Mayor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calgary_Sun

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Maybe you should google it. It's not even close to 100,000.

43,000 in 2015 and NO new stats the past 3 years. So maybe 30k max? prob closer to 25k. Like I said, if that was really the case Smith would be our Mayor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calgary_Sun

43,000 print copies sold, not counting pass-arounds or website traffic.

Try again.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I didn't say there were 100,000's of Sun subscribers, I said there are 100,000'S of conservative citizens that will eat this kind of proposal to shreds, just stating that Rick Bell is the best in Calgary riling those citizens up.

It's not just Sun subscribers, it's citizens getting quick content from Sun articles posted on social media. among other sources.

and you just did in your next post..

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

43,000 print copies sold, not counting pass-arounds or website traffic.

Try again.

Not sold. Only 25,400 sold in 2015! So what would it be in 2018? 10,000 sold? Wolves appear to be turning into chihuahuas.
Whats their website traffic? online subscribers? No one knows. Nothing online about numbers after 2015 and judging by the number of layoffs i'm assuming it's not high.

Newspaper Prov Market Paid/Free Freq. Audit Basis Avg Wkday
Calgary Herald AB Calgary Paid M-Sa AAM 62,974
The Calgary Sun ~ AB Calgary Paid M-Su CCAB 25,403

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by getbak

No it's not. People actually like figure skating.

No one in Canada cares about ski jumping. The only time they ever have major ski jumping competitions in North America are the Olympics and any required pre-Olympic events.

Most people in Canada (and the world for that matter) don't care about the majority of Olympic sports besides when they are happening during the Olympics.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Not sold. Only 25,400 sold in 2015! So what would it be in 2018? 10,000 sold? Wolves appear to be turning into chihuahuas.
Whats their website traffic? online subscribers? No one knows. Nothing online about numbers after 2015 and judging by the number of layoffs i'm assuming it's not high.

Newspaper Prov Market Paid/Free Freq. Audit Basis Avg Wkday
Calgary Herald AB Calgary Paid M-Sa AAM 62,974
The Calgary Sun ~ AB Calgary Paid M-Su CCAB 25,403

I don't mind standing corrected, as I hate how many posters just try to ignore or switch the subject when proven wrong. You had numbers, I was guessing based on past numbers I had heard in passing. Apologies.

[Manhattanboy]

I would be surprised if the yes side gets 40% support.

As has been pointed out, no new arena, no new stadium, no LRT, no rail, no legacy facilities.

Come to think of it, I doubt the yes side gets 30%.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Not sold. Only 25,400 sold in 2015!

I stand corrected. I thought the number I had was paid circulation.

Whats their website traffic? online subscribers? No one knows. Nothing online about numbers after 2015 and judging by the number of layoffs i'm assuming it's not high.

The layoffs happened because Postmedia took over the entire Sun chain and eliminated all the redundant jobs. Since both papers are being produced in the same newsroom, with the same sales staff, the same circulation department, the same management, and for the most part, the same reporters, it's no surprise that there were a lot of layoffs.

What it amounts to is that the Herald was bleeding money, but by annexing the Sun's subscriber base, it could increase revenues enough to survive a little longer. The only way to do that was to publish (in effect) an edition of the Herald that said ‘Calgary Sun’ on the cover, in the hope of fooling enough of the rubes.

You see these kinds of cannibalistic mergers time and again in failing industries.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I don't mind standing corrected, as I hate how many posters just try to ignore or switch the subject when proven wrong. You had numbers, I was guessing based on past numbers I had heard in passing. Apologies.

No worries. Left leaning snowflakes will shoot this bid down too. Super powers unite!

[PugnaciousIntern]

Perhaps I'm missing something. But wouldn't federal contributions of 50% essentially resolve the gap in negotiations between the city and CSEC?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Most people in Canada (and the world for that matter) don't care about the majority of Olympic sports besides when they are happening during the Olympics.

That's true, but most of those sports don't require an extremely-specialized facility that has limited post-Games usage and a significant physical footprint.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

Perhaps I'm missing something. But wouldn't federal contributions of 50% essentially resolve the gap in negotiations between the city and CSEC?

They could. But nobody got them all talking at the same time. Too many egos getting in the way of productive politicking. The primary benefit of an Olympic bid, IMO, is the legacy benefit of new facilities and infrastructure, paid, in large part, by federal and provincial and Olympic funds, thus lessening the burden on the city and local taxpayers.

But no.

[craigwd]

Originally Posted by getbak

Here's the cost-breakdown from the Hosting Plan.


This is the "Hosting" cost. Just the costs for that "two week party" that people like to talk about (actually about a five week party when the ramp-up time and the Paralympics are taken into account). This is set up to be a break-even proposition with funding coming from the IOC, sponsorships, ticket sales, etc.

Don't forget that every venue hosts a major competition the year before as a Testing Event and I guarantee each venue will hold major competitions in the following years.

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Most people in Canada (and the world for that matter) don't care about the majority of Olympic sports besides when they are happening during the Olympics.

Not exactly true. I've watched and attended high performance sporting events in other parts of the world and they are heavily attended.

Their fans even follow their favourite athletes to Canada/US to watch them compete, I meet them all of the time.

[JBR]

A good explanation of the costs vs. benefit.

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...you-by-calgary