[Rumour] Lebrun: CGY & CAR talked about Lindholm trade that could involve Hamilton and Hanifin

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Isn't Hanifin just a young Hamilton? How much difference is there between Hanifin and Seth Jones when he was traded for Johansen? The kid was projected as a stud dman. He's proven himself an NHLer. Hasn't yet hit his prime or his peak.

Did something happen with Hanifin I'm not aware of? Cause he's been considered a future stud dman since before being drafted.

I'm finding it strange in this thread that some people don't seem to think Lindholm or Hanifin are extremely valuable commodities. Hanifin just scored 10 goals, 30+ points and only just turned 21. He's 6'3, skates like the wind. Like I said, is he not looking like a future Hamilton himself?

Can't really understand the reaction of being unbelievably pissed off if that was the trade. To me you'd be trading the slightly more established Hamilton for a kid who has exactly the same upside in Hanifin plus you'd be getting Lindholm on top of it who looks like a young top two line forward.

There's a disconnect here and I'm not sure if its because some people don't seem to value Lindholm/Hanifin or if some people seem to think Hamilton is one of the top young dmen in the game. Maybe a combination of both.

Which can be bothered to watch Canes games?

Besides, if he was so good, he'd already be a flame.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Those highlights don’t stand out to me. I like that he’s in the right place at right time but I’m not seeing the skills - the hands, the passing, the shiftiness. Granted it was one video and I hope there are more that show his skills.

However when I read this from his draft year, I’m intrigued but wondering why he doesn’t show these qualities - unless he doesn’t have them at NHL level.



https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.spor...league/sn-amp/

Skills are there. Positioning is very key in those highlights. It's a really important thing for me. He finds ways like Tkachuk to get where the puck is going to be. He reads developing plays very well. It's the primary reason I want him on the Flames so badly.

Look at the first goal on that video. It's not so much about positioning as it is about how he settled that puck down and potted it in the net. He has the skills. It doesn't blind you or dazzle like Johnny but it is there.

He may not amount to much more than a 50-60 point guy once it's all said and done but he'll be a key piece in a deep run.

[Robbob]

For the record, Hamilton placed higher than Gio in the Norris voting.

[Dajazz]

Has trading all star D-men worked out well for any team in recent history?

You have to give to get yea, make it a pure 1 for 1 hockey trade. Bring back an equally established winger/centre - not more question marks.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Robbob

For the record, Hamilton placed higher than Gio in the Norris voting.

Sure but Gio is hands down the better all around dman. Gio carries that pairing in our own zone.

Can’t believe how much stock people put in finishing 14th in Norris voting. He got three votes total. A 2nd place and two 5th place votes. Whoop di do.

I dunno Hamilton is one of the best defensemen in the league at getting pucks on net. That gives him great corsi. But he has some issues in his own zone. He struggles with compete when he doesn’t have the puck.

I think he’s extremely valuable. But Hanifin/Lindholm would be a huge haul in my mind. That’s a way better haul than Joe Thornton got in his prime. That’s more than what Seguin was traded for.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I think he’s extremely valuable. But Hanifin/Lindholm would be a huge haul in my mind. That’s a way better haul than Joe Thornton got in his prime. That’s more than what Seguin was traded for.

The Thornton and Seguin trades were both badly one-sided, and as usual, the team that gave up the best player lost the trade. I'm not sure that comparison says much except, ‘This deal would stink less.’

[GullFoss]

Why not just do Brodie for Lindholm straight up?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Why not just do Brodie for Lindholm straight up?

Because it doesn’t fit the Canes’ needs?

Some of you are unaware that the Canes are very similar in needs. Lack of a 1C, lack of star goaltending, and best players are wingers and a top tier top 4 defense.

We aren’t really good trading partners.

[UKflames]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Because it doesn’t fit the Canes’ needs?

Some of you are unaware that the Canes are very similar in needs. Lack of a 1C, lack of star goaltending, and best players are wingers and a top tier top 4 defense.

We aren’t really good trading partners.

What, so everyone wants to send them the best player in the trade to make us good partners?

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Sure but Gio is hands down the better all around dman. Gio carries that pairing in our own zone.

Can’t believe how much stock people put in finishing 14th in Norris voting. He got three votes total. A 2nd place and two 5th place votes. Whoop di do.

I dunno Hamilton is one of the best defensemen in the league at getting pucks on net. That gives him great corsi. But he has some issues in his own zone. He struggles with compete when he doesn’t have the puck.

I think he’s extremely valuable. But Hanifin/Lindholm would be a huge haul in my mind. That’s a way better haul than Joe Thornton got in his prime. That’s more than what Seguin was traded for.

Only 18 defenseman in the league got a vote (only 13 got more than Dougie), but yeah whoop di do.

Oh yeah, and he's only 25 (only one defenseman younger than Dougie got more votes)...

[BruceCody]

any interest in Frolik?

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by BruceCody

any interest in Frolik?

We have him already.

[BruceCody]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

We have him already.

it's time to send off

[GullFoss]

Right, but Lindholm doesn't even reach the 20 goal plateau. And the canes are having trouble coming to terms with him.

So...what exactly is Lindholm worth? Probs not Dougie Hamilton.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Right, but Lindholm doesn't even reach the 20 goal plateau. And the canes are having trouble coming to terms with him.

So...what exactly is Lindholm worth? Probs not Dougie Hamilton.

Lindholm is still pretty young and hasn't peaked. I think he could possibly become a 20 goal, 50 point player. I wouldn't bank on it necessarily and if Hamilton was the guy going the other way, they would need to sweeten the pot quite a bit IMO. Hanifin is a nice player too, but again, if it was Hamilton for Lindholm and Hanifin, Carolina would be getting the best player back in the deal based on what we know right now.

It would be a gamble for sure.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Can you name some perennial Norris-candidate defencemen who by their 6th season in the league still weren't trusted to kill penalties?

You already got completely owned by a haiku on your post, but I would also like to point out that Brent Burns wasn't even trusted to play as a defenseman at all at Hamilton's age. He was playing wing.

[Poe969]

Lindholm may turn out to be good but he hasn't shown he's worth a lot, let alone worth Hamilton. Sure, he might reach his potential but he might not.and they would have traded Hamilton for an ok player and someone they hope will turn into a player like Hamilton.

There'd better be a few more pieces involved here, trading Hamilton for 2 questions marks would be a huge mistake.

[FanIn80]

If there’s a hole in your front lawn, you don’t dig another hole beside it to fill it up. You go and buy some dirt and sod and do the job properly.

You also don’t trade your 24 year old #1 Defenceman for a #3/4 Defenceman and a second line Winger.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Beninho

People here are claiming Hamilton is a top 2 pairing Dman, does anyone have any of his defensive metrics away from Gio. He’s got elite offensive tools but I think he’s been poor defensively when he’s been away from Gio. I may be wrong but considering he’s gonna need a big raise on his next contract I don’t really know if I would want to pay him what will be a contract fit for a no.1 defensemen.

Takes like this hamper discussion. You have Google, look up the stats before talking out of your ass. Dougie does better than gio when separated, statistically.

[kukkudo]

I think some people are missing the point, Hamilton would not be on trade block if something wasn't sitting right with Treliving and team. Nobody just trades a top 2 defencemen for fun. You build around players like Hamilton.