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Hemi-Cuda · 05-02-2018, 11:14 AM

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In a vast universe are there not more powerful aliens and gods that could oppose him? Why is it most of his opponents are from Earth? Wouldn't Thanos also know the 14 million possible time streams, and realize what Strange is up to?

Well all of Asgard is wiped out now aside from Thor, and we haven't been shown any more powerful beings in the MCU thus far so it's not fair to assume some unknown entity should intervene. And Strange spent time using the time stone to see the 14 million possibilities, when Thanos got the stone he was only concerned with completing his objective. He probably doesn't even know how to use the stone on the level that Strange does

FlameOn · 05-02-2018, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Well all of Asgard is wiped out now aside from Thor, and we haven't been shown any more powerful beings in the MCU thus far so it's not fair to assume some unknown entity should intervene. And Strange spent time using the time stone to see the 14 million possibilities, when Thanos got the stone he was only concerned with completing his objective. He probably doesn't even know how to use the stone on the level that Strange does

I'm pretty sure in the movie Thanos said he only wiped out half of the Asgard, the rest they never showed where they were.

GGG · 05-02-2018, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by troutman

In a vast universe are there not more powerful aliens and gods that could oppose him? Why is it most of his opponents are from Earth? Wouldn't Thanos also know the 14 million possible time streams, and realize what Strange is up to?

He wiped out the Nova Corp which is a pretty strong Alien group. You still have the Kree and the Skrulls but compared to the gauntlet wouldn't matter. Even the Galactus from the fantastic four world is powerless once the guantlet has been assembled. So while perhaps they could have been involved in stopping him assemble the gems there wasn't really time as Thanos was hidden until he made his move for the Power Stone. After that the reason Earth was involved is they happened to hold two of the gems.

Thanos could go through 14 million time streams and be certain to eliminate the mistakes that could undermine his goals but he isn't that maticulous. And he believes he is invincible so wouldn't bother to look.

blankall · 05-02-2018, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Well all of Asgard is wiped out now aside from Thor, and we haven't been shown any more powerful beings in the MCU thus far so it's not fair to assume some unknown entity should intervene. And Strange spent time using the time stone to see the 14 million possibilities, when Thanos got the stone he was only concerned with completing his objective. He probably doesn't even know how to use the stone on the level that Strange does

In the comics Thanos has showdowns with the various cosmic beings. Once again, that's something best left for the comics, and I really hope they don't introduce those beings in the movies, as it would be really tough to pull off.

The inifinity stones, when combined, do give thanos enough power to take out even the most powerful beings in the universe. I could go down a nerdhole and get into how having possession of all the stones theoretically also means you would have access to the knowledge to use the stones. The mind gem, when used in conjunction with the other stones, should give you access to all knowledge in reality.

Inglewood Jack · 05-02-2018, 01:12 PM

Living Tribunal, come on down!

WhiteTiger · 05-02-2018, 01:49 PM

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He wiped out the Nova Corp which is a pretty strong Alien group. You still have the Kree and the Skrulls but compared to the gauntlet wouldn't matter. Even the Galactus from the fantastic four world is powerless once the guantlet has been assembled. So while perhaps they could have been involved in stopping him assemble the gems there wasn't really time as Thanos was hidden until he made his move for the Power Stone. After that the reason Earth was involved is they happened to hold two of the gems.

Thanos could go through 14 million time streams and be certain to eliminate the mistakes that could undermine his goals but he isn't that maticulous. And he believes he is invincible so wouldn't bother to look.

Well...and don't you have to think about that? Or using the Gauntlet in that manner? Strange knew to use his gem to look through futures because he knows how his gem works and has used it like that in the past. The only time we see Thanos use the Time gem is on Vision. If Thanos doesn't think to use the Time Gem to check out possible futures, the Gem isn't going to whisper that idea into his ear.

I always kind of felt that the gems give you the ability to "do the things" but not the intimate knowledge of their inner workings. They'll make whatever you think a reality...but you have to think it up, first. I see them like a tool, and only as good as their user.

SuperMatt18 · 05-02-2018, 01:51 PM

Also what reason does Thanos have to look into the future now.

He wanted the Infinity Gauntlet for one reason - to eliminate 50% of all living beings in the universe.

He thinks his plan was a success and that he completed the task he was set out to complete. He isn't thinking about his plan potentially failing so he has no reason to look into the future.

KTrain · 05-02-2018, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by blankall

In the comics Thanos has showdowns with the various cosmic beings. Once again, that's something best left for the comics, and I really hope they don't introduce those beings in the movies, as it would be really tough to pull off.

Technically they've already introduced cosmic beings into the movies. The head of a Celestial is in Guardians of the Galaxy. But I still agree they shouldn't be in the movies any more than Easter eggs like that.

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blankall · 05-02-2018, 02:26 PM

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Technically they've already introduced cosmic beings into the movies. The head of a Celestial is in Guards of the Galaxy. But I still agree they shouldn't be in the movies any more than Easter eggs like that.

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We already have the Celestials. They were also featured in the Collector's flashback of how the infinity gems were created. We have Ego and the Elders too. The MCU hasn't gone to the all powerful beings though, like Chaos/Order, Eternity, Living Tribunal, etc.. The ones that make up the fabric of time and space.

I'd like to see Galactus, at some point, as the Fantastic Four would fit into the universe quite well, but no one more powerful than that. They'll probably go with a modified version of Galactus too, that is more of a physical being and less of a cosmic entity. Marvel has really toned down the power level of characters for the movies, and I'd expect that trend to continue.

stang · 05-02-2018, 04:53 PM

I read that Captain Marvel's powers will push the boundary's of the powers we have seen

GGG · 05-02-2018, 05:40 PM

I think one of the really good things they did in the movie was how they portrayed the idvidual gems without making them too powerful.

The Reality Gem to make weapons disappear and to test if Gamora would betray Thanos, the Power Gem beating Hulk, the time Gem to evaluate futures and to unwind destroying the mind Gem, the Soul Gem at the end visiting baby Gamora and the Space Gem to Jump everywhere.

They allowed the fights to appear to have a chance of the Heros winning without just blinking people out of existence or going back in time and killing them on the toilet. They didn't overuse the reality Gem to trick people as well. They kept the laws of the universe sane even with the infintiy gems.

CrazyCaper · 05-02-2018, 11:00 PM

Just got home from the theatre. Didn't see any of that coming. Glad I was able to avoid spoilers until now. The part that tore me up the most was when Peter Parker realized he was dying and wanted Tony to help him. He was just a scared little kid who wanted to go home. God, I'm tearing up just thinking about it again.

calgarybornnraised · 05-02-2018, 11:25 PM

Saw it today and loved it. How they wove all the Characters into the same timeline and story, very impressive. Surprised how many people were there on a Wednesday Afternoon.

Violator · 05-03-2018, 01:24 AM

I thought it was pretty good woould give it a 10/10 it was a two and a half hour movie.Im glad we got to see what happened to the red skull i guess he found out he didnt truly want all of the power he was after he looked beaten and alone.

Never watched black panther were does it fit in the timeline as this is two years after civil war?

The action felt solid from start to finish and every character it feels like had a good role in the movie.

You can tell by what strange said that he found out how to beat thanos and before he was dusted he said it was the only way tony or something like that.

FireGilbert · 05-03-2018, 07:52 AM

The Red Skull was a big surprise. I am wondering if he was just an easter egg or if this was setting up something by showing than an infinity stone doesn't completely kill you. Also too bad Hugo Weaving wasn't back. Whoever did the voice was great though.

Black Panther was a fairly self contained story with little clues on the actual timeline so all we really know is it takes place sometime in the 2 years between Civil War and Infinity War.

FlameOn · 05-03-2018, 08:14 AM

On second viewing of the movie, if Eitri made the Infinity Gauntlet for Thanos recently, how is it there was a fake of the glove sitting as one of the treasures captured in Odin's vault?

The fake has to be based on something and at least 1500 years old (Thor's age) as Hela recognized it as a fake and knew what it was just a week prior in Thor Ragnarok. So Eitri's been sitting on the forge by himself with messed up hands for at least that long?

Oling_Roachinen · 05-03-2018, 08:33 AM

No, I would say that the Infinity Gauntlet that Thanos uses is relatively new.

I think you need to realize that the Gauntlet in Odin's vault was originally just an easter egg the same way Captain America's half made shield was. The continuity doesn't flow.

However, if you need to find some way to make it work, just assume that the plans have been out for awhile, it's a golden gauntlet with room for the stones, not exactly a marvel in engineer design. Could have been several attempts or 'fakes' made throughout history.

Inglewood Jack · 05-03-2018, 09:06 AM

when Hela saw the tesseract and declared it as simply "not bad" compared to the other weak artifacts, did she actually recognize it as an infinity stone? she's tough to impress.

what would have happened if Hela won? then Thanos would have to go to Asgard and then...she throws 800 million knives at him? or it's the universe's worst meet cute and they make sweet demon love in the catacombs beside the heat of the Eternal Flame?

FlameOn · 05-03-2018, 09:43 AM

I could see that as some weird crossover later. Thanos in the comics is love with the lady embodiment of death. Hela is the Goddess of Death. It could happen and they both retire to a farm or something after the war.

CaptainCrunch · 05-03-2018, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

when Hela saw the tesseract and declared it as simply "not bad" compared to the other weak artifacts, did she actually recognize it as an infinity stone? she's tough to impress.

what would have happened if Hela won? then Thanos would have to go to Asgard and then...she throws 800 million knives at him? or it's the universe's worst meet cute and they make sweet demon love in the catacombs beside the heat of the Eternal Flame?