Mass Shooting November 5 Texas Church

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Pretty much this.

I liken this to the suicide bombings in the Middle East or Africa that occur on a daily basis. They get little to no attention media-wise here and that is because it is seen to be part of normal everyday life there. Scary, but true. That's how America is to me. I'm pretty much desensitised to these things now. No point in getting all worked up, knowing full well it's going to happen a couple days later AGAIN and the US government will once again do nothing to fix it.

The Vegas one certainly hit close to home for me since I knew someone who knew one of the victims. But #### it, if the American government or people aren't going to care enough to change anything, then why should I? Next week we'll all be gathered in another god damn thread saying the exact same things; thoughts and prayers, 2nd amendment, what a tragedy, reform, etc.

I remember after Columbine when our teachers sat us in the classrooms and tried to explain the tragedy to everyone. Everyone was in shock, people crying, and we saw the evil in it. Well those kids who did that must be laughing in their graves right now, watching all the copy cat shootings that happen in US now. Congratulations boys, you got your wish.

I want to send out my thoughts and 'prayers' to the victims. But I'm done doing that now. I'll just simply shake my head, keep my fingers crossed it's no one I know, go about my day like it's any other day, and thank the lucky stars that I live in Canada.

I get your frustration with the whole issue. Because I’ve heard this same argument before I just wanted to point out that I think it’s unfair to compare these mass shootings to suicide bombings. Sure they are both viewed as incidents that just happen in the regions they do, but to me the difference is that I don’t know of any country that has made it a right to own a suicide bomb, or that has groups lobbying to increase a person’s ability to own a bomb and carry it around in a public place. Just seems like 2 very different situations to me.

[_Q_]

^^ That's actually very interesting and I haven't thought of it that way before.

To add to this, you know that sooner or later, one day, suicide bombings will stop in Iraq. Why? Because suicide bombs are illegal there and there's political will to stop them. Once they get this law and order thing sorted out, the bombings will end. It may take another decade or two, maybe even a century, but I'm sure it'll happen one day.

In America, I don't think the shootings will ever stop. I just don't see it ever happening.

[Displaced Flames fan]

The pithy sarcasm in this thread makes it unreadable. It's a shame too, because constructive discussion is what is needed surrounding this issue in my country. Unfortunately, this thread is a microchasm of the real debate that goes on here, if it can even be called debate.

[evman150]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Unfortunately, this thread is a microchasm of the real debate that goes on here, if it can even be called debate.

To people not stuck in right-wing echo chambers, there is no debate.

People are dying. And this happens over and over and over and over.

There is only one sane response: gun control. Now. End of debate.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

The pro-gun crowd boasting about a good guy with a gun preventing a 27th casualty while ignoring the fact that this guy was able to simply purchase the gun that killed the first 26 is so sad. What a pathetic group.

exactly, the solution is for everyone to be armed. that way when a guy shoots people from a Las Vegas hotel with an automatic weapon, all the armed citizens can just pull out their guns and shoot him. seems logical to me.

[Minnie]

What's a microchasm?

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Minnie

What's a microchasm?

An autocorrect of microcosm, would be my guess.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by evman150

To people not stuck in right-wing echo chambers, there is no debate.

People are dying. And this happens over and over and over and over.

There is only one sane response: gun control. Now. End of debate.

I don't disagree with your post I really don't

But lets be honest, can we really say that American's want and or are interested in Gun Control?

We can debate it from the standpoint of a country that has had gun control forever.

But if a candidate ran on an election platform of "I don't give a crap, gun control, or fire arm bans are my priority" would the electorate vote him in?

I doubt they would.

And if a standing president lets say found a way to go around Congress and Senate and just enacted gun control laws, he would probably be voted out in the next election because the next candidate would campaign on returning to the Status Quo of today.

As much as we show sympathy for the victims and we absolutely should this situation is as much the fault of the politicians under the sway of the lobbyists as it is the fault of the American population as a whole

Saying Gun Control now doesn't get to the meat of the problem. The American population has basically decided that its ok to live with a suicide pact.

[flylock shox]

The first survivor accounts are coming out and the scene they describe is horrific. Systematic killing aimed at taking out everyone in the room. Good thing for that neighbour intervening or there'd be no survivors to speak of.

[loob job]

It's normal now for my five year old son to have "lock down Drills" in his kindgergarten class. He thinks its part of school...................brutal.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by loob job

It's normal now for my five year old son to have "lock down Drills" in his kindgergarten class. He thinks its part of school...................brutal.

The first and only one we ever had was after Columbine and it was scary and surreal to "plan" for something so brutal even once. Insane how the times have changed.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by loob job

It's normal now for my five year old son to have "lock down Drills" in his kindgergarten class. He thinks its part of school...................brutal.

It's become routine at school now. My kids have had several actual lockdowns and it has become almost routine to them, all have been false alarms thankfully. Most recent one was a few weeks ago.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

it take under two seconds to go from bolt locking back to firing after a mag change.

On a table at a shooting range it takes 2 seconds. But in real life you cannot make a case that it wouldn't slow down the shooting. Be realistic here. We are also talking about fat neck beards not Seal Team Six. But maybe it's just a coincidence that the greater access Americas have gotten to more advanced guns and equipment has lead to larger and larger body counts.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

And the 2nd Amendment be damned right?



So if you mandate that a standard cap mag now can only hold 5 or 10 rounds (ie. Canadian laws), would you also then make some law that limits the number of mags a single person may own. Because even if someone who decides to commit a crime doesn't simply return them to normal capacity, it take under two seconds to go from bolt locking back to firing after a mag change.



People love saying that the gun buy back stopped mass shootings, but how many mass shootings did Australia have before Port Arthur?

Personally I cant see any use for any magazine of any capacity, I cant see any reason that a citizen might actually need a gun, hunting, self defense, target shooting or boring workmates at the company BBQ that an old fashioned 5 round stripper clip wont cover perfectly well.

[direwolf]

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

The first survivor accounts are coming out and the scene they describe is horrific. Systematic killing aimed at taking out everyone in the room. Good thing for that neighbour intervening or there'd be no survivors to speak of.

They would have all been dead of that guy didn't have a gun. The US army really ####ed up here. They failed to submit his charges to the FBI. If they would have done so he would not have passed the background check. Government is incompetent. Why do we think they can control guns?

[northcrunk]

The dude who stopped the killer was an NRA member. How many NRA members shoot up a bunch of people? There's been more Bernie supporters shooting people up these days.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

They would have all been dead of that guy didn't have a gun. The US army really ####ed up here. They failed to submit his charges to the FBI. If they would have done so he would not have passed the background check. Government is incompetent. Why do we think they can control guns?

Airforce actually.

Not that it matters much. But yeah that's a big mistake on their part.

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

How many NRA members shoot up a bunch of people?

The NRA does the arming so they don't have to do the shooting. In a sense they're responsible for all of them.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

They would have all been dead of that guy didn't have a gun.

Most likely, however they also most likely would have all been spared had neither had the right to own a gun in the first place. Hard to shoot people to death without guns.