High-Profile Sexual Abuse Epidemic

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by Galakanokis

Strong post from Ellen Page.

https://www.facebook.com/EllenPage/p...55212835577449

I seriously read that whole thing thinking Ellen DeGeneres and it made no sense to me. I need a nap.

[troutman]

Louis C.K. Responds to Sexual Misconduct Allegations: “These Stories Are True”

“There is nothing about this that I forgive myself for.”


https://pitchfork.com/news/louis-ck-...ocial_facebook

These stories are true. At the time, I said to myself that what I did was okay because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first, which is also true. But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power over another person, asking them to look at your dick isn’t a question. It’s a predicament for them. The power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly.

An interesting (long) read about abuse in sports (with a minor focus on swimming). Some of the stats blow my mind.

https://www.outsideonline.com/2162781/unprotected

[81MC]

I know I'm missing something here, but the article I read stated he had 'asked' first. Assuming that's the case, and the other person didn't reject, I fail to see the 'misconduct' there.
Or did I miss somewhere that said he did it without their consent? Re: CK

[GGG]

Originally Posted by 81MC

I know I'm missing something here, but the article I read stated he had 'asked' first. Assuming that's the case, and the other person didn't reject, I fail to see the 'misconduct' there.
Or did I miss somewhere that said he did it without their consent? Re: CK

If your boss asks you to Masturbate in front of you is that okay?

The asking itself is harassment given the environment it occurred in.

He was also jerking it on the phone to someone as well without asking.

[jayswin]

troutman, just a friendly reminder since I like your posts and contributions - Just quickly check the threads when you're updating them with major news/articles/info. Most times it's already been posted and is being discussed as the main subject at your time of posting.

It comes off a little like you're not engaged in the conversation. I mean that politely and respectfully of course.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Locke

Initially I agree, but I just have a hard time understanding how an adult, especially one as apparently observant as he is, didnt understand his position of power or privilege over these women and what he was doing.

Never be surprised at the lengths to which a person will rationalize their irrational or immoral behaviour, especially to themselves. And when you have power, the inhibitions that others place on your actions thru their collective disapproval are minimized as well; you test your limits and find that those limits keep getting more and more synonymous with your desires.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Super hard to tell if you're trolling here. My radar must be wonky.

What do you think they should do if not apologize? Say "eff yeah, grab 'em in the puusssay!"?

Apologizing is the only decent thing to do at this stage for these guys. What's the alternative?

Apologize privately. Making a public statement is all about image control.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by zamler

Apologize privately. Making a public statement is all about image control.

Where's that rule written? Seems way more appropriate to apologize publicly to accusations made publicly.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by zamler

Apologize privately. Making a public statement is all about image control.

Not relevant to celebrities at all. They operate in a different world than regular citizens where public apology is a requirement not a good deed attempt. Even if it's often used for the latter.

Every inch of their life is for public consumption so apologies and statements on issues and scandals are automatic. If they offer private apology it is viewed as cowardly and dismissive.

Not saying they didn't put themselves in the position in the first place, but the existence of a public statement being an attempt to control image isn't really fair as they are in an industry where public image is part of their career and automatic through good times and bad.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by zamler

Apologize privately. Making a public statement is all about image control.

He may have already apologized privately. We don't know for sure. The public apology may also be because the complainants may not be accepting communication from now. The statement helps get the sentiment out.

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by GGG

If your boss asks you to Masturbate in front of you is that okay?

The asking itself is harassment given the environment it occurred in.

He was also jerking it on the phone to someone as well without asking.

For starters he wasn't their boss but if my boss asked me back to her hotel room and asked me that question its a little different than asking me while warming up hot pockets in the lunchroom. A little too forward and weird for me but not the weirdest thing in the world.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

For starters he wasn't their boss but if my boss asked me back to her hotel room and asked me that question its a little different than asking me while warming up hot pockets in the lunchroom. A little too forward and weird for me but not the weirdest thing in the world.

There are 5 different accusarions here.

A fifth woman, who spoke on condition of anonymity to protect her family’s privacy because she has not been publicly linked to the incident with Louis C.K., also has disturbing memories about an incident with the comedian. In the late ’90s, she was working in production at “The Chris Rock Show” when Louis C.K., a writer and producer there, repeatedly asked her to watch him masturbate, she said. She was in her early 20s and went along with his request, but later questioned his behavior.

In this incident he is clearly in the positition of authority on the show

Ms. Corry, a comedian, writer and actress, has long felt haunted by her run-in with Louis C.K. In 2005, she was working as a performer and producer on a television pilot — a big step in her career — when Louis C.K., a guest star, approached her as she was walking to the set. “He leaned close to my face and said, ‘Can I ask you something?’ I said, ‘Yes,’” Ms. Corry said in a written statement to The New York Times. “He asked if we could go to my dressing room so he could masturbate in front of me.” Stunned and angry, Ms. Corry said she declined, and pointed out that he had a daughter and a pregnant wife. “His face got red,” she recalled, “and he told me he had issues.”

Here replace boss with coworker and happens while you are in the office.

In these two cases the asking is clear harasssment. Why are you trying to diminish these claims when Louis CK has stated they are true.

[snootchiebootchies]

Originally Posted by zamler

Apologize privately. Making a public statement is all about image control.

I take the victims at their words and I take the perpetrator at his word. Not much else Louis C.K. can do but to apologize and try his best to be a better man.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

For starters he wasn't their boss but if my boss asked me back to her hotel room and asked me that question its a little different than asking me while warming up hot pockets in the lunchroom. A little too forward and weird for me but not the weirdest thing in the world.

If you read the article it notes that it also happened at the work place, during the work day, while people were in the other room.

It's definitely some sort of compulsion and he obviously recognizes it as abusive not just in the work place setting but as someone he knows young female comedians would look up to. CK himself acknowledges the behavior as an abuse of his power, even if it didn't start with that (I suspect this has been happening most of his life, before he was well-known enough for it to be a power thing).

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by GGG

There are 5 different accusarions here.



In this incident he is clearly in the positition of authority on the show



Here replace boss with coworker and happens while you are in the office.

In these two cases the asking is clear harasssment. Why are you trying to diminish these claims when Louis CK has stated they are true.

Because I don't agree that asking is harassment. If he had just invited them to his hotel and asked and got rejected that's perfectly fine IMO but as per the stories it was more than just asking he blocked the way until he was done.

"repeatedly asked her to watch him masturbate, she said. She was in her early 20s and went along with his request, but later questioned his behavior"

This is also harassment, asking once and getting turned down is not.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Raekwon

Because I don't agree that asking is harassment. If he had just invited them to his hotel and asked and got rejected that's perfectly fine IMO but as per the stories it was more than just asking he blocked the way until he was done.

"repeatedly asked her to watch him masturbate, she said. She was in her early 20s and went along with his request, but later questioned his behavior"

This is also harassment, asking once and getting turned down is not.

So walking up to a coworker and asking if I can Masterbate in front of them at work is acceptable office behaviour to you?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by GGG

So walking up to a coworker and asking if I can Masterbate in front of them at work is acceptable office behaviour to you?

I need the answer to this question!

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by GGG

So walking up to a coworker and asking if I can Masterbate in front of them at work is acceptable office behaviour to you?

hell of an office!!

[Coach]

Much less your boss in an industry that will replace faster than a pot of coffee.