2017 NFL season thread

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Galakanokis

Regarding Kaepernick vs Osweiller; when picking between two piles of #### for QB's pick the one that is less of a distraction. Osweiller will probably fade away to nothing but Kaepernick will be mentioned every bloody week for an entire season. Nobody really cares about the back up QB and the less you hear the better.

This is the NFL, if a team thinks you can help them win or make them money they will sign you regardless of what you have done.

Ding Ding Ding.

[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by Galakanokis

Regarding Kaepernick vs Osweiller; when picking between two piles of #### for QB's pick the one that is less of a distraction. Osweiller will probably fade away to nothing but Kaepernick will be mentioned every bloody week for an entire season. Nobody really cares about the back up QB and the less you hear the better.

This is the NFL, if a team thinks you can help them win or make them money they will sign you regardless of what you have done.

What a crock of ####. Kap is better than 10 QB's actually starting week 1. Ridiculous.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

What a crock of ####. Kap is better than 10 QB's actually starting week 1. Ridiculous.

Name them.

Also name a team that he is better than the QB and plays a system he can even play.

[devo22]

ah, I see where we have now reached the point where a player is gone for a while and all of a sudden he's so much better than he actually was.

Don't get me wrong, I think Kaep is decent. But as a starter we are surely talking about the 26-32 range and as a backup he's not worth all the attention.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by devo22

ah, I see where we have now reached the point where a player is gone for a while and all of a sudden he's so much better than he actually was.

Don't get me wrong, I think Kaep is decent. But as a starter we are surely talking about the 26-32 range and as a backup he's not worth all the attention.

Kap can't play in the pocket. Which makes him an average to below average back up. The attention he would garner as a backup makes it an easy pass for teams.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Galakanokis

Regarding Kaepernick vs Osweiller; when picking between two piles of #### for QB's pick the one that is less of a distraction. Osweiller will probably fade away to nothing but Kaepernick will be mentioned every bloody week for an entire season. Nobody really cares about the back up QB and the less you hear the better.

This is the NFL, if a team thinks you can help them win or make them money they will sign you regardless of what you have done.

And yet who did the Eagles sign to be their 3rd-string QB fresh out of prison?

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by rubecube

And yet who did the Eagles sign to be their 3rd-string QB fresh out of prison?

Rumour is Kap wants 8 mil a year .

He has zero desire to actually play football again. Can this conversation please end!

[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Name them.

Also name a team that he is better than the QB and plays a system he can even play.

Hackenberg
Peterman
Bortles
Savage
Kessler
Glennon
Mallett
Goff
Tolzein
Hoyer
Siemian

Man, a real murderers row there. Too bad Kap just couldn't grasp the "system" like the immortal Brian freaking Hoyer.

[transplant99]

I'm confused.

So we have some saying that ownership has no redeeming qualities by employing the deplorables of the league because they help them win games and that's all they care about.

Except for Kapaernick then? He is the exception because he is way better than a bunch of others but he wont be hired because they dont care about winning when it comes to him?

Or is it just possible that he really has to much distraction around him(that he has entirely and completely created of his own volition rightly or wrongly) to make it worthwhile and actually could be a detriment to winning?

One of those last two scenarios makes sense...the other? Not even a little bit....at least if we are to believe the initial stance that ownership doesnt care about anything but winning and that is shown by their willingness to employ the worst of the worst in human beings.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I'm confused.

So we have some saying that ownership has no redeeming qualities by employing the deplorables of the league because they help them win games and that's all they care about.

Except for Kapaernick then? He is the exception because he is way better than a bunch of others but he wont be hired because they dont care about winning when it comes to him?

Or is it just possible that he really has to much distraction around him(that he has entirely and completely created of his own volition rightly or wrongly) to make it worthwhile and actually could be a detriment to winning?

One of those last two scenarios makes sense...the other? Not even a little bit....at least if we are to believe the initial stance that ownership doesnt care about anything but winning and that is shown by their willingness to employ the worst of the worst in human beings.

If Kap wanted to be in the league he would. He's asking for starter money while being a distraction , and hasn't even said he really wants to play. He has made enough money and doesn't actually care to play IMO.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

Hackenberg
Peterman
Bortles
Savage
Kessler
Glennon
Mallett
Goff
Tolzein
Hoyer
Siemian

Man, a real murderers row there. Too bad Kap just couldn't grasp the "system" like the immortal Brian freaking Hoyer.

How many of those are starters?

Also why would you want a back up who can't play a pocket game if your pocket QB goes down? You want to switch your whole offence mid season? How many teams offences are not primarily pocket oriented?

[Galakanokis]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

What a crock of ####. Kap is better than 10 QB's actually starting week 1. Ridiculous.

Why doesn't RGIII have a NFL gig? I actually think he is better than Kaepernick or was at least. So no, not a crock of #### or ridiculous.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Weitz

How many of those are starters?

Also why would you want a back up who can't play a pocket game if your pocket QB goes down? You want to switch your whole offence mid season? How many teams offences are not primarily pocket oriented?

All of them are starting except the browns guy, I think Kizer might be starting. I'll give Goff a pass since he's pretty green.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I'm confused.

So we have some saying that ownership has no redeeming qualities by employing the deplorables of the league because they help them win games and that's all they care about.

Except for Kapaernick then? He is the exception because he is way better than a bunch of others but he wont be hired because they dont care about winning when it comes to him?

Or is it just possible that he really has to much distraction around him(that he has entirely and completely created of his own volition rightly or wrongly) to make it worthwhile and actually could be a detriment to winning?

One of those last two scenarios makes sense...the other? Not even a little bit....at least if we are to believe the initial stance that ownership doesnt care about anything but winning and that is shown by their willingness to employ the worst of the worst in human beings.

Because Kaepernick offends white people with his anti-cop anthem kneeling ways. No one really cares about the other stuff because it's usually black on black crime and it doesn't offend Joe Middle America.

[Galakanokis]

Originally Posted by rubecube

And yet who did the Eagles sign to be their 3rd-string QB fresh out of prison?

Money. Vick was still very popular and those jerseys were going to fly off the shelves. There was/is a large portion of the population that had no issue with what Vick did, some even calling it normal. Plus the guy could still play. Kaepernick was never very good even when they went deep into the playoffs.

I should add that Reid had to push pretty hard for Lurie to sign Vick. They did a lot of homework before that deal was made.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Because Kaepernick offends white people with his anti-cop anthem kneeling ways. No one really cares about the other stuff because it's usually black on black crime and it doesn't offend Joe Middle America.

Uh huh.

[DiracSpike]

RGIII is just as good Kap and doesn't have a job either. Kap had one of the worst QBR in the NFL last year, so objectively he's not good at football. Subjectively, every 9ers game I watched he would get happy feet two seconds into his drop, panic, and either try to run or zing an inaccurate fastball over someone's head. The guy is trash, straight up.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Galakanokis

Money. Vick was still very popular and those jerseys were going to fly off the shelves. There was/is a large portion of the population that had no issue with what Vick did, some even calling it normal. Plus the guy could still play. Kaepernick was never very good even when they went deep into the playoffs.

Let's no kid ourselves here. Vick had one really good year, that was helped by a lot of luck, then was dog#### and injured the following year, before getting replaced by Nick Foles in his final year with the team. He then went on to get beat out in training camp by Geno Smith with the Jets before becoming a mediocre backup for the Steelers.

Kaeps QBR last year was 23rd in the league. Obviously not great, but he was ahead of guys like Tannehill, Wentz, Newton, and Eli. If QBR isn't your thing, his QB rating was 17th in the league, ahead of the aforementioned four, as well as guys like Rivers, Palmer, Taylor, and Winston, so I'm not sure where the idea that he can't start NFL comes from. I don't think anyone believes he's the second coming of Steve Young, but he's absolutely starter material based on his numbers.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by rubecube

This is such nonsense. We're acting as if the NFL has any consistency when it comes to hiring or not hiring players based on character concerns. We have two rapists starting at QB in the league but we're going to draw the line at dating someone who posts something off-colour on twitter?

No. The Ravens drew the line when it depicted their owner as a slave owner.

Big difference from what you are saying.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

No. The Ravens drew the line when it depicted their owner as a slave owner.

Big difference from what you are saying.

Kaepernick didn't tweet the photo. You're basically saying he's guilty by association. That seems like a reasonable stance? Have you ever looked at Miko Grimes' twitter?

This is the same Ravens team whose management team had Ray Rice's wife apologize for her role in getting punched out in an elevator, right? The same management that employed Ray Lewis and still employs Terrell Suggs? Where exactly is their moral high ground on anything?