[Trade] Eddie Lack to Flames

[MarkGio]

Lack was called out by his coach last year pretty bad. But at one point he was a stud backup. Hopefully both guys hit their potential with the Flames.

And thankfully the Flames haven't exhausted even more picks. Getting that 7th back is huge for a team needing picks

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Getting that 7th back is huge for a team needing picks

Except we gave them a sixth.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I think Lack is a big downgrade from Johnson.

I searched NHL goalies that played 20+ games in the last two seasons.

There were 112 entries.

I ordered them by save percentage and Lack's seasons were ranked 103 and 107.

John Ortio's final season was 104.

The Hamonic move was great for the Flames but I don't think that Treliving has done well with the goaltending.

Mike Smith is old and average, which is fine if you have another 1B goalie to help carry the load. I thought for sure the Flames would get another Johnson or someone similar.

With the acquisition of Lack, it appears that they may have downgraded their goaltending tandem.

Murphy was the number 8 in Carolina, and has been through waivers at least once.

I just don't see the positive for Calgary in this. I think they should have aimed higher for a backup.

At least we'll have cap space for goalies.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Sigalet gets so much underserved %#^* on here. He's been fed nothing but mediocre veteran goalies, and everyone hates him for not turning them into high end starting goalies...just, whatever.

He, if anything, seems to make them worse, as they all had decent track records before joining the Flames, only to end up destined for europe or retirement. Shouldnt he at least help them improve marginally? Doesn't even seem able to help them shore up routine, extremely low percentage saves.

Why even defend the guy when he clearly makes no net positive influence on the players that come through the system? Careers are ###ing dying here and it's pretty embarrassing.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Essentially, there's very little difference between sixth and seventh rounders. The pick swap was kind of weird.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I think Lack is a big downgrade from Johnson.

I searched NHL goalies that played 20+ games in the last two seasons.

There were 112 entries.

I ordered them by save percentage and Lack's seasons were ranked 103 and 107.

John Ortio's final season was 104.

The Hamonic move was great for the Flames but I don't think that Treliving has done well with the goaltending.

Mike Smith is old and average, which is fine if you have another 1B goalie to help carry the load. I thought for sure the Flames would get another Johnson or someone similar.

With the acquisition of Lack, it appears that they may have downgraded their goaltending tandem.

Murphy was the number 8 in Carolina, and has been through waivers at least once.

I just don't see the positive for Calgary in this. I think they should have aimed higher for a backup.

Outside of a hot stretch in December Johnson was not very good. As much flack as Elliott takes he was better than Johnson. If Johnson's play last year is the bar Lack would have to be pretty bad not to meet or exceed it.

[IrishSpring2013]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I think Lack is a big downgrade from Johnson.

I searched NHL goalies that played 20+ games in the last two seasons.

There were 112 entries.

I ordered them by save percentage and Lack's seasons were ranked 103 and 107.

John Ortio's final season was 104.

The Hamonic move was great for the Flames but I don't think that Treliving has done well with the goaltending.

Mike Smith is old and average, which is fine if you have another 1B goalie to help carry the load. I thought for sure the Flames would get another Johnson or someone similar.

With the acquisition of Lack, it appears that they may have downgraded their goaltending tandem.

Murphy was the number 8 in Carolina, and has been through waivers at least once.

I just don't see the positive for Calgary in this. I think they should have aimed higher for a backup.

between fudging the numnbers in your russell role debate... and that signature hanging from your posts... i think you have a LACK of credibility on related topics.. naturally u take the other side... but i do appreciate your posts.. thank you oil stain...

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Outside of a hot stretch in December Johnson was not very good. As much flack as Elliott takes he was better than Johnson. If Johnson's play last year is the bar Lack would have to be pretty bad not to meet or exceed it.

That's my point.

Johnson posted a .910% save percentage.

Lack has put up 901% and .902% over the last two years. That kind of suggests that he is Johnson without the hot streak.

[Love]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Sigalet gets so much underserved %#^* on here. He's been fed nothing but mediocre veteran goalies, and everyone hates him for not turning them into high end starting goalies...just, whatever.

This is a winning business, just being 'good' isn't enough.

Hiller died here after one good season (but that could have been due to the vertigo)

Johnson saw his sv% fall 10 points coming here from the Buffalo Sabres and Elliott 20.

That's not to say he's a bad coach (as I'm sure 99% of us have no clue what he even does with the goalies) but just like any other job out there whether it be correlation or causation doesn't matter. We need results.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

That's my point.

Johnson posted a .910% save percentage.

Lack has put up 901% and .902% over the last two years. That kind of suggests that he is Johnson without the hot streak.

or he plays for the freakin' Hurricanes. Adur.

[Vinny01]

Is Murphy salvageable?

Lack as a backup at $1.3M is not bad. Too bad we couldn't dump Bouma in the deal

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

That's my point.

Johnson posted a .910% save percentage.

Lack has put up 901% and .902% over the last two years. That kind of suggests that he is Johnson without the hot streak.

Unadjusted save percentage is tough.

Carolina does a great job of suppressing shots but they give up an abnormal number of shots in the high danger areas.

For example look where Elliott faced shots from last year



And now look where Lack faced shots from.



Really going to screw up your stats when your team suppresses the easy shots but then lets a lot of high danger shots get to the net.

[Yamer]

Awesome trade. Just because I know you were all waiting for me to weigh in.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I think Lack is a big downgrade from Johnson.

I searched NHL goalies that played 20+ games in the last two seasons.

There were 112 entries.

I ordered them by save percentage and Lack's seasons were ranked 103 and 107.

John Ortio's final season was 104.

The Hamonic move was great for the Flames but I don't think that Treliving has done well with the goaltending.

Mike Smith is old and average, which is fine if you have another 1B goalie to help carry the load. I thought for sure the Flames would get another Johnson or someone similar.

With the acquisition of Lack, it appears that they may have downgraded their goaltending tandem.

Murphy was the number 8 in Carolina, and has been through waivers at least once.

I just don't see the positive for Calgary in this. I think they should have aimed higher for a backup.

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[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by getbak

Sounds like Dougie.

In that case he'll go from the woes of Eddie Lack to the whoa's of Eddie Lack!

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Is Murphy salvageable?

Lack as a backup at $1.3M is not bad. Too bad we couldn't dump Bouma in the deal

Even if he isn't salvageable, a Right handed shot on the bottom pair for under 1 million isn't bad for the defensive depth.

Besides, Murphy played his whole career in the Canes system. He could use a fresh start somewhere else

[N26]

I'm not a big fan of either player we got but I'm impressed with this trade.

When you get two possible NHL level players (one of them 50% retained), both at low salary with no term for a guy who was a huge long shot to even play one game you've done well. These guys could both not make the team and you can still argue we won the deal (creating more competition, solidifying roster, injury callups etc)

I'm very impressed with Treliving's day.

[joejoe3]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Even though I recognized all the words you typed, I still couldn't understand any of it. Then I ran it through Google Translate, and everything made sense:

Spoiler!

Gretzky Messier McDavid 5 Cups new arena playoffs.

First dynasty current dynasty anyone unsigned is ours.

80's Grant Fuhr record books and Joey Moss.

First overall pick first overall pick first overall pick first overall pick.

Best ice guy in the League.

Harvey's tongue Kevin Lowe Smythe crying "I promised Mess I wouldn't do this."

League-wide retired number banners banners banners more ceremonies and banners.

Prospects depth we almost signed him but didn't want him anyway.

Did I mention the 80s Gretzky and 5 Cups.

I think I know something about winning and "Hey Conner it's Mess."

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[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

That's my point.

Johnson posted a .910% save percentage.

Lack has put up 901% and .902% over the last two years. That kind of suggests that he is Johnson without the hot streak.

You are playing the opposing fan contrarian role and that's fine but the head coach clearly didn't get along with the player in Carolina and that's just not a good situation for any goaltender to be in and I'm expecting him to be better behind a better team. Again my expectations aren't high but I feel he can meet or exceed Johnson's numbers last season. If either of the Alberta starters go down I would rather go with Lack than Brossoit for an extended period of time. Besides the Flames don't rely on goaltending to win games nearly as much as the Oilers as only two wins separated the teams with the Oilers needing Talbot to stand on his head most nights while the Flames won games to spite their goaltending on a lot of nights.

[PeteMoss]

They must think Lack can rebound because the difference between the last two years of Lack and really any average AHL goalie is that Lack has NHL experience. Performance wise there would be little to no difference.