Women-only spa’s ‘no male genitals’ rule ignites transgender debate

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Should homeless people have access to private bathrooms? What about change rooms? They cannot afford to use the facility, but shouldn't everyone have access?

That's what the Kensington Safeway bathroom is there for.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I suppose what I find would be troubling is still how does the front line staff identify who to let in? "You don't look like you are trying hard enough to look like a woman, so you can't come in" isn't going to go over well. I mean, you will probably have a share of trolls playing that angle, but is that the position some companies take? If yo don't look like you are putting in some standard level of effort to appear feminine then you aren't permitted? Then you are just creating divisive classes based on physical appearance.

Quick, what's the thing in your wallet that almost everyone has that includes things like your name, age, sex, and other crucial identifying information?

Changing your sex on government issued I.D. isn't extremely difficult, but does take some time, money (for new I.D., documents, etc), and commitment. Things that most trans people have no issue pursuing because it's something essential to who they are. It also (in Alberta at least) requires a sworn affidavit that states you identify with the gender you're changing your I.D. to, which means that in the extremely unlikely and almost-ridiculous-to-bring-up situation of a man trying to get an I.D. that states he's female for dubious means, he would be commitment a criminal offence in lying on the affidavit. That, plus the tricky stipulation of requiring a signed statement from a recognised medical professional stating they've evaluated that person and agree that the gender they are requesting a change to is accurate.

I think I.D. would be a pretty fair stipulation that's acceptable to everyone. This doesn't have to be some "where's Waldo" manspotting operation.

As always, most fears are based off what we don't know, and sometimes that causes us to miss the most straightforward and simple explanations.

[ToewsFan]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The Daily Wire and a mom blog are not credible resources for any information.

Can you provide a full list of credible sources for me to use? I'd really appreciate it. Thanks.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by ToewsFan

Can you provide a full list of credible sources for me to use? I'd really appreciate it. Thanks.

You'll know 'em when you find them, hopefully.

A story about some dude in the women's washroom at Disneyland should have set off a bell or two, but you'll figure it out I'm sure.

[ToewsFan]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

You'll know 'em when you find them, hopefully.

A story about some dude in the women's washroom at Disneyland should have set off a bell or two, but you'll figure it out I'm sure.

Thanks. With all due respect, I am asking Pepsi Free.

[ToewsFan]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Should homeless people have access to private bathrooms? What about change rooms? They cannot afford to use the facility, but shouldn't everyone have access?

There should be no homeless people in Canada. The amount it costs society to have homeless people on the street, and not with a roof over their head or food to eat, is much greater than providing them with welfare, and a roof over their heads. Back on topic, the the new YMCA in the SE has open locker rooms, and private washrooms that are unisex. It's a major inconvenience. I don't really care what people think. We should leave washrooms/locker rooms/etc. the way they are, and not cater to special interest groups or Social Justice Warriors.

[Thor]

I had a friend from the US visiting, we were at Icelandic pool, and a father walked in with his daughter, maybe 3 or 4 years old, my friend saw her first and told her she was in the wrong room.

Its just this bizarre fear of nudity in North America, probably all the puritans fault.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Thor

I had a friend from the US visiting, we were at Icelandic pool, and a father walked in with his daughter, maybe 3 or 4 years old, my friend saw her first and told her she was in the wrong room.

Its just this bizarre fear of nudity in North America, probably all the puritans fault.

I don't think that situation is unusual in North America. I had seen a lot of parents bring in younger opposite gender kids to change-rooms / showers at our rec. centre. Maybe it's not some attempt to be progressive but rather out of necessity, father goes swimming with young daughter, there are not many convenient options, other than family change-rooms which tend to be gross if they aren't cleaned frequently.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by ToewsFan

Thanks. With all due respect, I am asking Pepsi Free.

No, I was able to read your question too. It is almost like you posted it in some kind of discussion and anyone was theoretically able to respond. Weird.

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[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Thor

I had a friend from the US visiting, we were at Icelandic pool, and a father walked in with his daughter, maybe 3 or 4 years old, my friend saw her first and told her she was in the wrong room.

Its just this bizarre fear of nudity in North America, probably all the puritans fault.

Do Latin America, Africa, the Middle East, China, and India also have bizarre fears rooted in puritanism? Because they have social norms at least as consevative as North America when it comes to nudity.

It's Northern Europe that's different from the rest of the world when it comes to nudity. And there's nothing wrong with that. But acting as though 10 per cent of the planet is normal and the other 90 has some kind of pathology is... bizarre.

[ToewsFan]

Originally Posted by jammies

No, I was able to read your question too. It is almost like you posted it in some kind of discussion and anyone was theoretically able to respond. Weird.

The key was on the right. They usually buzz customers in.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by ToewsFan

The key was on the right. They usually buzz customers in.

What I like to do when I am drunk and on the internet is respond in the drunk puck thread only. When I sober up, I can check if my posts still make some sense and then I move them to where they are most appropriate.

[ToewsFan]

Originally Posted by Wormius

What I like to do when I am drunk and on the internet is respond in the drunk puck thread only. When I sober up, I can check if my posts still make some sense and then I move them to where they are most appropriate.

I'm completely sober. Although I just burnt my pizza...

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ToewsFan

I'm completely sober.

That's somehow more concerning.

[ToewsFan]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

That's somehow more concerning.

Holy condescending, Batman!

If you don't like me, I don't really care, but does everything have to be a personal attack with you?

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by ToewsFan

I'm completely sober. Although I just burnt my pizza...

Okay then. Alternate theory for the non-sequitur responses?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ToewsFan

Holy condescending, Batman!

If you don't like me, I don't really care, but does everything have to be a personal attack with you?

No. I had a sandwich for lunch.

[ToewsFan]

Ps....GO FLAMES GO!!!! Cup in 2018!!!

[Flash Walken]

I'm having a sandwich for lunch too! A grilled cheese!

[ToewsFan]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I'm having a sandwich for lunch too! A grilled cheese!

That sounded so good I just cooked up myself one...