Should we be going for Ovie?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Believe rumor is Bennett going the other way.

There is no rumour.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

There is no rumour.

A Russian news outlet broke the story. The tweet was based off that story.

The Russians may have made that up out of thin air, but they may not have as well. Note that the story was Treliving contacted the Caps GM with an offer. That's not groundbreaking. I bet Tavares gets offers 24/7.

I wouldn't be shocked to find out Brad contacts all 30 teams regularly to discuss potential deals, even Ovi.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

A Russian news outlet broke the story. The tweet was based off that story.

The Russians may have made that up out of thin air, but they may not have as well. Note that the story was Treliving contacted the Caps GM with an offer. That's not groundbreaking. I bet Tavares gets offers 24/7.

I wouldn't be shocked to find out Brad contacts all 30 teams regularly to discuss potential deals, even Ovi.

The source of that Russian article was the RumorBreak tweet. It literally says it in the headline.

No rumour, just nonsense.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

There is no rumour.

I know it's a fake rumour. Just saying that the name coming up is Bennett.

[CsInMyBlood]

People that want Ovechkin on this team obviously haven't watched him play for years.

Way rather have a couple guys that play a full two way game than pay him 10 million a year for the next four years to watch that knob float around. Talk about cap handcuffing your team.

And that's not even talking about what we would have to give up to get him. Washington is not in a rebuild.

[kukkudo]

It all comes down too can the Flames win the cup before Ovechkin contracts up?

If the flames traded him for Bennett, 2017 1st, 2018 1st, Fox and they won the cup within the next 4 years than I wouldn't really get sad over the loss of Bennett and the few first round picks.

Now if the Flames aren't able to take it too the next level with one of the best goal scorers in the league (Yes almost past his prime) than I be sad haha.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Believe rumor is Bennett going the other way.

That is what the fake Twitter "rumor" stated. The guys on the Fan basically said that was no where near enough and the Caps don't trade Ovi to the Flames without Tkachuk, Monahan, or Gaudreau in the deal (one of the 3 as a start)

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I did. Because the Capitals aren't trading Ovechkin to begin a rebuilding phase at this point, so they are looking at a star for star deal. Your proposal does not come remotely close to being viable.



Ahh, now you're starting to think about what the Caps would need. This is good, because you can now go back to your proposal and understand just how bad it is from Washington's perspective.

BTW, Nashville made exactly that type of trade just this year. Also, Taylor Hall was Edmonton's franchise player right up until they lucked out on the McDavid draft. And the Oilers dealt him for immediate improvement.



Washington would be looking for a player who replaces Ovechkin's 30-50 goals and offers a more well rounded game. Also, part of the motivation would be that a change at the top would spark the team's development enough for that final push.

So, of course, I hope you can now see why offering the Capitals a guy who would provide one third to one half of the scoring and some lottery tickets is not a viable proposal.

I like the smug "I did" as if you know anybody remotely close to being inside the Capitals war room and their intentions. For all you know, they released the idea of trading Ovechkin to the public in order to light a fire under Ovy's ass. Another alternative is that Washington intends on rebuilding on the fly, much like St.Louis is doing trading away Elliot, Shattenkirk, Oshie and acquiring Yakupov. They are, in fact, losing several more players other than Ovy.

So Caps are going to pull a Subban/Weber trade and replace Ovechkin with a Crosby/Matthews/Laine or star defenseman? The only scenario that makes sense is trading Ovechkin for Perry and hopes Perry rebounds, or maybe guys like Eberle, Neal, or Toews. But again, non of these guys will do what you claim and both replace Ovechkin's goals and provide a more well rounded game.

Toews is the only player that makes sense to me. But I think Washington would be smarter going with the Frolik + deal.

[Northendzone]

assuming you could make that trade, would the flames have the cap space for ovie, johnny, seanny, gio, brodie, hamilton and a goalie? plus enough other players?

[Vinny01]

At the end of the day it is almost impossible for the Caps to trade Ovi this year and get anything close to good value back.

There are not many if any 1 for 1 deals that make sense. Perry comes to mind but the cap savings are small and Perry and is coming off a bad season.

How many contending or teams on the rise could fit in a $9.5M cap hotnfoe the next 4 years? Ovi won't go to the Coyotes or Canucks. He will want to ply for a good team.

I think that is a reason the Flames have been listed as a potential landing spot. The team is on the rise, the Flames do not have a single player making $7M+ AAV right now, and they need a top line forward.

The deal is so hard to make and the return would be underwhelming that I just don't see a trade as a realistic possibility until Ovi has 1-2 years left on his deal

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

assuming you could make that trade, would the flames have the cap space for ovie, johnny, seanny, gio, brodie, hamilton and a goalie? plus enough other players?

Considering Brouwer+Stajan+Bouma take up the same cap hit as Ovi then it is possible. Especially if Brouwer is taken by Vegas or part of the trade. Likely makes keeping Backlund long term or Frolik for the last 3 years of his contract difficult.

[Krovikan]

In my opinion, the only way a Bennett+++ trade would be true for Ovi was if Washinton and Ovi split, Washinton may decide that they would want to rebuild. If they decide this, then they would want to trade Hotlby so a Bennett+++, and cap dump, in my opinion, would be worth Holtby + Ovi. And if Washinton decides that they are rebuilding this trade would actually work for both teams.

That said these types of trades never happen in the modern NHL. I think the Ovi for Brower + Prospect + 1st is probably closer to what would be a realistic trade, Flames probably give a bit more though.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

assuming you could make that trade, would the flames have the cap space for ovie, johnny, seanny, gio, brodie, hamilton and a goalie? plus enough other players?

Chicago has 50M dedicated to the seven players of Kane, Toews, Panarin, Seabrook, Keith, Hjalmarsson and Crawford. Of course it hasn't hurt to have players like Hossa with great cap hits.

The Flames would have just 40M dedicated to the six named players plus whatever the goalie would cost. So the cap structure is entirely doable, the issue becomes players like Brouwer and Bouma though who are eating away at the capspace and not providing much of anything right now.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

I know it's a fake rumour. Just saying that the name coming up is Bennett.

Seems everybody likes Bennett these days, the bad news for them though is so does Treliving and the Flames.

[Iniggywetrust]

I might be in the minority here but I'd he willing to put a package together that centered around Backlund. He's a good enough asset that Washington consider it worth while. Plus, if we acquire Ovechkin, chances are we can't afford to retain Backlund when he becomes a ufa.

Backlund, Brouwer, Fox for Ovechkin and Bowey

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Iniggywetrust

I might be in the minority here but I'd he willing to put a package together that centered around Backlund. He's a good enough asset that Washington consider it worth while. Plus, if we acquire Ovechkin, chances are we can't afford to retain Backlund when he becomes a ufa.

Backlund, Brouwer, Fox for Ovechkin and Bowey

I am with you there every step of the way. Not sure the Caps would take Brouwer back in the deal though likely we would only send Backlund back so they have cap savings.

[Bourque's Twin]

I love the way Bennett plays but he's sort of the odd man out right now.
Gaudreau and Tkachuk are long term LWers and Monahan and Backlund are great C's.

To acquire someone like Ovechkin would take a great young player like Bennett.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ovechkin
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland - Lazar - Versteeg
Bouma - Jankowski - Hathaway

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

I love the way Bennett plays but he's sort of the odd man out right now.
Gaudreau and Tkachuk are long term LWers and Monahan and Backlund are great C's.

To acquire someone like Ovechkin would take a great young player like Bennett.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ovechkin
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Ferland - Lazar - Versteeg
Bouma - Jankowski - Hathaway

Problem with that top 6 is the near impossibility to keep that group together. Backlund needs big dough in 1 year and Tkachuk in 2.

I do not see a scenario where the Flames add Ovi and can keep Backs and Frolik long term. At least Bennett will be on a cheap bridge deal

[Oling_Roachinen]

6.75-6.375-9.54
5-5-4.3
2-3-2
1-1-1
0.8-0.6

6.75-5.75
4.65-2.5
2-1
0.6

5.5
1

That would be about the salary cap structure you're looking at after acquiring Ovechkin in the near term, let's say the 2019 season. A 77M cap hit by 2019 season is certainly possible. And if Kylington or Andersson make the club as bottom pairing defenseman, they'll have cap hits of ~0.7M roughly at that time for some savings here and there.

Of course I think acquiring Ovechkin is a pipe dream, and pretty much requires Brouwer to be moved somehow, but fitting him into the salary cap is feasible.

[TorqueDog]

If you told me "Hey, the Flames signed Ovechkin as a free agent!", I'd be all for it.

Trading valuable assets to acquire him, on the other hand, we're going to pay a LOT and Ovie's best years are already behind him. They wouldn't be trading him if they weren't.