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Textcritic · 10-05-2016, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

...It really does reek of just trying to get that record for youngest captain in league history. Is that record worth heaping more pressure on to this teenagers already crowded plate, I don't think so...

For the most highly decorated player in OHL history? This could be his most important record when it is all said and done.

GioforPM · 10-05-2016, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bax

Because McDavid is the future of that organization. He's been "the go to guy" on every team he's been on his entire life. Nugent Hopkins might be their third line center as early as this season. Why give the C to another young player? So you can strip him of it in a year or two and give it to McDavid then? What does Nuge have over McDavid? A few extra years playing on a bottom feeder?

If the oilers made Nugent Hopkins their captain today the entire NHL would be questioning the decision. Instead they named McDavid and the only people questioning it are on a Flames forum

So should they have named Hall captain three years ago? Should the Flames have named Iginla captain in his first year. "Future of the franchise" =/= "name him captain right now".

If you don't like making a more complete player captain, because he's young, you pick your best vet. Maybe Lucic despite the fact he hasn't played there before. Maybe a defenceman because he isn't comparable to McD. But IMO it's an unnecessary move to put additional pressure on a half year player.

Oil Stain · 10-05-2016, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

So should they have named Hall captain three years ago? Should the Flames have named Iginla captain in his first year. "Future of the franchise" =/= "name him captain right now".

If you don't like making a more complete player captain, because he's young, you pick your best vet. Maybe Lucic despite the fact he hasn't played there before. Maybe a defenceman because he isn't comparable to McD. But IMO it's an unnecessary move to put additional pressure on a half year player.

And McDavid shouldn't be allowed to have one of them newfangled high numbers.

He should have picked 37 and paid his dues!

GioforPM · 10-05-2016, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Oil Stain

And McDavid shouldn't be allowed to have one of them newfangled high numbers.

He should have picked 37 and paid his dues!

That's what you got from that? Not that a practical rookie might not benefit from having a little experience before having the pressure of captaincy? OK?

Oil Stain · 10-05-2016, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

That's what you got from that? Not that a practical rookie might not benefit from having a little experience before having the pressure of captaincy? OK?

He'll be fine. You'll see.

GioforPM · 10-05-2016, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Oil Stain

He'll be fine. You'll see.

Never change Oiler fans. This is your time of year all right.

FireGilbert · 10-05-2016, 10:16 PM

Not surprised, Oilers gonna Oil.

From the little I have seen of McDavid I'm still not getting the crazy hype and comparisons to Crosby. He will be a damn good player but comparisons to Seguin and Mackinnon would be more appropriate.

midniteowl · 10-05-2016, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BloodFetish

How do you say "Killllll meeeeeee..." in Japanese?

Sorry, I haven't a clue, don't speak Japanese.

GoJetsGo · 10-05-2016, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Oil Stain

You'll see.

lol, that should have replaced the "City of Champions" sign on the highway south of town 7 years ago.

"Welcome to Edmonton... You'll see"

bax · 10-05-2016, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by FireGilbert

Not surprised, Oilers gonna Oil.

From the little I have seen of McDavid I'm still not getting the crazy hype and comparisons to Crosby. He will be a damn good player but comparisons to Seguin and Mackinnon would be more appropriate.

Man...seguin had 22 points in 74 games his rookie season. McDavid was over a point per game. The Crosby comparison is fine

Major Major · 10-05-2016, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Oil Stain

He'll be fine. You'll see.

Lol, so your Sig is this hilarious true statement that you blindly parade as an example of flame fan ignorance, and then you come in saying stuff like "you'll see"?

If you want anybody to see anything, maybe you should try not hammering your own credibility every single time you post.

Roof-Daddy · 10-05-2016, 11:16 PM

Every kool-aid chugging oiler fan should just go ahead and have "you'll see" tattooed right on their forehead.

FireGilbert · 10-06-2016, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bax

Man...seguin had 22 points in 74 games his rookie season. McDavid was over a point per game. The Crosby comparison is fine

Wasn't Seguin stuck on the 4th line on the Cup champions while McDavid was given first line minutes on the 3rd worst team in the league?

I guess you do make a good point McDavid is better than Seguin but he is still not even close to Crosby who had ~1.25 PPG his rookie season.

Crumpy-Gunt · 10-06-2016, 01:15 AM

McSelfish

To Be Quite Honest · 10-06-2016, 01:48 AM

#OilerTrickleDownPride

JerryUnderscore · 10-06-2016, 06:02 AM

OHL Awards

As best I can tell, Taylor Hall actually has more awards than McDavid in junior.

Taylor Hall (13 Awards)
OHL All-Rookie Team (2008)
Emms Family Award (2008)
CHL Rookie of the Year Award (2008)
OHL First-Team All-Star (2009, 2010)
Wayne Gretzky 99 Award (2009)
Eddie Powers Memorial Trophy (2010)
Stafford Smythe Memorial Trophy (2009, 2010)
Memorial Cup All-Star team (2009, 2010)
Ed Chynoweth Trophy (2010)
CHL Second-Team All-Star (2010)

Connor McDavid (12 Awards)
Jack Ferguson Award - Top Pick in OHL Priority Selection Draft (2012)
Emms Family Award - Rookie of the Year (2013)
First All-Rookie Team (2013)
Bobby Smith Trophy - Scholastic Player of the Year (2014, 2015)
William Hanley Trophy - Most Sportsmanlike Player (2014)
Red Tilson Trophy - Most Outstanding Player (2015)
First All-Star Team (2015)
CHL Scholastic Player of the Year (2014, 2015)
CHL Top Draft Prospect Award (2015)
CHL Player of the Year (2015)

Two of Connor's awards are "Hey you got drafted first!" awards, which feel like they shouldn't really count, but they're on there so... whatever. Furthermore, as has been pointed out, Taylor Hall has tournament MVP awards, while Connor has Scholastic Player of the Year awards.

Either way, Taylor Hall has more (and better) awards than Connor.

Seguin/MacKinnon/Crosby Comparisons

The difficulty that we're going to run into when comparing these players is that, as some have pointed out, Seguin got fourth line minutes his rookie year while Connor got first line minutes. Because of that, the best way to compare these players is to look at their points/60. It's still not perfect, but I think it levels the playing field a bit. All the stats below are considers to be "x/60".

Seguin: 0.76 - 0.68 - 1.44
Hall: 0.63 - 0.94 - 1.57
MacKinnon: 0.72 - 1.35 - 2.07
Connor: 1.15 - 1.54 - 2.69
Crosby: 1.39 - 1.89 - 3.28

If we're simply looking at points/60 then Connor is a step above Seguin and Hall, a bit ahead of MacKinnon, but not quiet on the same level as Crosby. I'm not going to bother going through and looking at various rookie seasons to see who Connor compares to the closest, but it's certainly not Crosby.

calumniate · 10-06-2016, 06:10 AM

I love how this is pretty much a flat out admission that their D sucks

RandyMarsh · 10-06-2016, 06:39 AM

"Welcome to Edmonton. You'll smell..."

OldSam · 10-06-2016, 10:19 AM

Messier is on Hockey Central talking about this...of course. What are the odds McJesus wins his Leadership Award this year no matter how much the Oilers suck?

JerryUnderscore · 10-06-2016, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by oldsam

messier is on hockey central talking about this...of course. What are the odds mcjesus wins his leadership award this year no matter how much the oilers suck?

1:1?