[CP Story] Bridge over Troubled Water: Gaudreau Contract

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Good article. Comparing all those contracts side by side adds great context.

Given the choice, would you rather have Ekblad or Tarasenko? I have said in the past that I think Tarasenko is overpaid. When you put him side by side with Ekblad, it seems pretty obvious. I think Ekblad's contract is warranted. For me, it's no contest who I would rather have. I think STL will regret that contract and I don't ever want to see the Flames in the position that they regret Johnny's contract.

For me, Johnny's contract should be a bit less than Ekblad's for 2 reasons: hardware (Calder), and age - Ekblad doing what he has done as a teenager is pretty impressive. So maybe 1 or 2 hundred K less for those reasons.

Then there is the issue of one less year of UFA. Haynes values that at $375k. That is probably about right. Let's say $250k to be conservative.

So let's take Ekblad's contract, and factor in those things. Call it $100k for the first two items, and $250k for the extra RFA year and you get:

8 x $7.15M (7.5 - 0.25 - 0.1)

To me, that sounds just about right, and sounds like about what Tarasenko should have gotten. It also puts him higher than Monahan and Forsberg but lower than Ekblad, which also sounds about right.

I'm not sure I'd put much weight into the Calder trophy, that trophy hasn't really proven to be a great predictor of future player ability.

At this point, Johnny is IMO definitely a better player than Ekblad and has shown more progress from year 21 to 22 than Ekblad made from 18 to 19. And it's not just me saying that - Johnny was ranked as the 30th best player in the game vs 45th for Ekblad (NHL ranking). I don't think it's at all unlikely that Gaudreau is the better player more times than not over the next 8 years.

[442scotty]

I'm not sure why people are comparing a defenceman to a forward but in the end... there is only one Johnny Hockey and I for one would like to see him play his whole career here... Hockey is just a lot more fun to watch with him on the team... I don't care what the cost of getting him is

[442scotty]

Johnny is gonna sign and that's the end of the story...

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Johnny is gonna sign and that's the end of the story...

But for how much? Can Frolik play centre? Was Monahan overpaid? Is Jonathan Toews elite? What about Ekblad? Is he even that good?

All these things need to be sorted long before Johnny gets signed, IMO.

[YYC in LAX]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Johnny is gonna sign and that's the end of the story...

Ok, mods please close the thread. We're good now.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

I'm not sure I'd put much weight into the Calder trophy, that trophy hasn't really proven to be a great predictor of future player ability.

At this point, Johnny is IMO definitely a better player than Ekblad and has shown more progress from year 21 to 22 than Ekblad made from 18 to 19. And it's not just me saying that - Johnny was ranked as the 30th best player in the game vs 45th for Ekblad (NHL ranking). I don't think it's at all unlikely that Gaudreau is the better player more times than not over the next 8 years.

#1D are more valuable than #1 wingers. We personally watched the best winger of his generation win a grand total of three playoff rounds, and the best winger of this generation has never made it out of the 2nd round. Neither ever had what you would consider a true #1D.

Question, why would you discount Calder voting yet cite the NHL player rankings as though they mean anything?

[Rtown]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Gaudreau's desire to play close to his parents (regardless of where he's playing) will likely never be higher than it is now. As time passes, other things will likely increase in importance to JG, new things will enter his life he cares about. Which is why worrying about where Johnny wants to play 5 years from now is dumb.

This has been my thoughts on this as well, who's to say he doesn't meet a nice Calgary girl with strong family roots here, and settles down with her. He may end up being a Lifer.

[442scotty]

I wonder what the possibilities are that Treliving is just being cautious and holding off till after the World Cup in case of a major injury to Johnny that wont end his career but downgrade his abilities? Just a thought...

[Rick M.]

There was some discussion earlier about Johnny's poor shooting percentage on the road, but no explanation. Was it due to bad luck? Did he face tougher competition forcing him to shoot more quickly than desired? Did he shoot from worse angles or from further out? Was he more comfortable/confident at the Dome?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

There was some discussion earlier about Johnny's poor shooting percentage on the road, but no explanation. Was it due to bad luck? Did he face tougher competition forcing him to shoot more quickly than desired? Did he shoot from worse angles or from further out? Was he more comfortable/confident at the Dome?

On the road you don't get last change so the other coach can match lines better. Gaudreau faces tougher competition on the road so he'll have less time to make plays and get shots off. It's a problem every player and team faces. Some handle it better than others. As a team we handled it poorly. My guess is we need to be physically stronger to make space or have other scoring lines so they can't concentrate on our #1 line. A new coach may help as well.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

There was some discussion earlier about Johnny's poor shooting percentage on the road, but no explanation. Was it due to bad luck? Did he face tougher competition forcing him to shoot more quickly than desired? Did he shoot from worse angles or from further out? Was he more comfortable/confident at the Dome?

The scoring chances were empiracally there on the road. The finish was not. Sounds like bad luck. For the most part. Having a scoring line that can draw attention away from Johnny's line woukd sure help though.

[taco.vidal]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Johnny is gonna sign and that's the end of the story...

Trade, then sign? Sign and trade?
Where?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

Trade, then sign? Sign and trade?
Where?

Really? Again?

You already started a thread to try and discuss this. It isn't flying.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

I wonder what the possibilities are that Treliving is just being cautious and holding off till after the World Cup in case of a major injury to Johnny that wont end his career but downgrade his abilities? Just a thought...

No.