When Steam opens up refunds BEYOND their usual terms it is because they have looked at the complaints and seen two things: One: there is a lot of them and two: they have merit.
I mean, it says something that they have to post that notice, but it is incorrect to say that Steam has modified their refund policy for this title.
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In this case the game promised in interviews and trailers (that are still up on steam, funnily enough) is not what was produced. And this isn't an issue of features being developed and then removed late for reason X, but because they were never part of the game to begin with.
Usually when a game cuts features, there are still signs of them in the code of the final copy. In NMS' case there is not for things they promised, such as p2p interactions.
I do recall an interview and had the impression that by chance you someday might see another user on the same world, which would be cool to see, but that there would be no real interaction between users. It was always single player, and maybe the possibility of seeing other users was cut (which makes technical sense, if it was not going to be relevant for the gameplay).
For whatever reason I find it interesting in all the backlash this game gets. But there is also a lot of misinformation, which takes away from any valid discussion of the faults/merits of the game.
I do think it would be much better received if it were released for $40 or less. As I said in my first post about this game, I thought it would be divisive. The hype made a lot of people buy this game, when they probably were never going to be satisfied by it. I do think going in with the right mindset and right expectations people can enjoy it, but it certainly isn't going to (and hasn't) satisfied everyone.
I think of it as a chill game where you can go about and collect resources, craft upgrades, and check out the funny creatures and cool worlds that are randomly generated. It isn't really a survival challenge, about twitch shooting, or about a story.
I mean, it says something that they have to post that notice, but it is incorrect to say that Steam has modified their refund policy for this title.
Tell that to people who have played more than the maximum play requirement and have received refunds for flagging the game as false advertising or bad performance. Not sure why they'd post that while also handing out refunds.
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I do recall an interview and had the impression that by chance you someday might see another user on the same world, which would be cool to see, but that there would be no real interaction between users. It was always single player, and maybe the possibility of seeing other users was cut (which makes technical sense, if it was not going to be relevant for the gameplay).
There wasn't an "impression." The guy straight up said it was a thing and it was going to be a thing. A lot of people bought or pre-ordered the game off interviews like this.
You can't say #### like this when you know it's not true and like I pointed out: It wasn't a feature they tried and then back tracked on. It was never even attempted.
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For whatever reason I find it interesting in all the backlash this game gets. But there is also a lot of misinformation, which takes away from any valid discussion of the faults/merits of the game.
That Reddit post from right after launched laid it out pretty well.
You can't promise the world, deliver less than a quarter of it and expect it to go over well. It just isn't, and shouldn't be a thing.
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I do think it would be much better received if it were released for $40 or less. As I said in my first post about this game, I thought it would be divisive. The hype made a lot of people buy this game, when they probably were never going to be satisfied by it. I do think going in with the right mindset and right expectations people can enjoy it, but it certainly isn't going to (and hasn't) satisfied everyone.
I think it is WORTH $40. I think it still would have fallen flat with all the promises that were not delivered. Again, it wasn't just "media hype" which is always a problem. The developer made a lot of promises that are not present in game.
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I think of it as a chill game where you can go about and collect resources, craft upgrades, and check out the funny creatures and cool worlds that are randomly generated. It isn't really a survival challenge, about twitch shooting, or about a story.
I have no doubt that the game can and will be enjoyable for some. I don't doubt that a game that large will find a following. What I don't like is that the developer is being given a pass by some despite the fact he promised the world and didn't deliver and didn't make it clear that he was going to be unable to deliver.
Glad I ended up grabbing this from Kijiji for $30, that's about what it's worth to me in its present form. Here's hoping they work their asses off on free content updates to make up for their false promises.
I've been playing it for a few weeks now, got it for free on the PS4 (Birthday present).
It's been enjoyable, but everything is getting rather repetitive. I can no longer learn new Gek words, have a suit that can no longer be expanded and I've only been in a handful of different star systems and multiple planets. They haven't varied too much, keep hoping to find one that has oceans.
I've been playing it for a few weeks now, got it for free on the PS4 (Birthday present).
It's been enjoyable, but everything is getting rather repetitive. I can no longer learn new Gek words, have a suit that can no longer be expanded and I've only been in a handful of different star systems and multiple planets. They haven't varied too much, keep hoping to find one that has oceans.
I've found about 15-20 planets of of maybe 50 that were mostly water
I'm having a lot of fun with this game. I don't understand the hilarious, way over-the-top pitchforks-out internet outrage.
My main criticism is that the game doesn't provide enough danger. I've barely upgraded my suit and I can survive no problem. Sentinel walker shooting at me? No probs man, here are some grenades. 200 degree scalding hot planet? I can walk, no sweat. Lost my way? Just follow the ship icon. Ran out of plutonium? Just walk a few steps.
Still, I haven't played a game with this much enthusiasm in quite some time.
I'm having a lot of fun with this game. I don't understand the hilarious, way over-the-top pitchforks-out internet outrage.
My main criticism is that the game doesn't provide enough danger. I've barely upgraded my suit and I can survive no problem. Sentinel walker shooting at me? No probs man, here are some grenades. 200 degree scalding hot planet? I can walk, no sweat. Lost my way? Just follow the ship icon. Ran out of plutonium? Just walk a few steps.
Still, I haven't played a game with this much enthusiasm in quite some time.
I honestly haven't played it enough to become sick of it but that's not my only issue with it. I've also yet to encounter a planet that had absolutely nothing in the way of lifeforms, fauna, or alien structures. That's just completely absurd to me, as is the abundance of what should be rare resources. I wasn't initially mad about my purchase because I got it for around $50 and I didn't really watch a tonne of the hype videos for it, but it's pretty clear that HG didn't deliver what was promised. I wouldn't be surprised to see them taken to court over it.
I am blown away that this game is still full price on Steam. The idea of it seems great for me and the kids, but I won't spend $60 on a game that everyone says sucks
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I haven't warped around enough to really notice this myself, but maybe try upgrading your warp drive to get different types of planets than you have seen yet.
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You can't promise the world, deliver less than a quarter of it and expect it to go over well. It just isn't, and shouldn't be a thing.
This part he wrote isn't true though:
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Planets do not rotate on their axis, moons do not orbit their planets, and planets do not orbit a sun. There isn't even a sun, it's just decoration on the sky box.
I've definitely seen the planets and space stations orbit the sun or at least each other.
I think their biggest mistake was getting in bed with Sony. Actually, they might not think it's a mistake because I'm sure they helped them make millions of dollars, but they did so at the detriment of their reputation.
They should've stayed indie, sold it as an early access game, and let the community guide them towards fulfilling the potential this game had. I've played enough Game Dev Tycoon to know that if you sell an amateur effort as a AAA title you're going to fail.
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You know what grinds my gears? People who want a refund on a game after 20+ hours played. Are you kidding me?
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I ate the whole cinnamon bun but it was terrible! I want my money back!
Entitlement grinds my gears.
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I tend to agree, although, if there were advertised features of the game it and it takes 20+ hours of play to figure your you were lied to, because, you still haven't found them and only after that time realize you have been had, the refund is justified.
Its one thing to advertise "buy this game because it will be fun", and quite another to advertise, "buy this game because it has multiplayer".
No Man's Sky seems to have crossed the line severely here.
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