[News] Official expansion alignment, expansion draft rules, and 2017 entry draft rules

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Oilers called dibs......

I love it because theres a very real possibility that Las Vegas could finish above Edmonton in their inaugural season.

[CroFlames]

I ran the general fanager mock draft a couple times.

IMO, the Flames will lose a forward. I think it's Brouwer, Frolik or Backlund.

The Pens are screwed in net. They either lose Matt Murray for nothing, or trade Fleury for peanuts.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I ran the general fanager mock draft a couple times.

IMO, the Flames will lose a forward. I think it's Brouwer, Frolik or Backlund.

The Pens are screwed in net. They either lose Matt Murray for nothing, or trade Fleury for peanuts.

I think all three of those guys are going to be protected . Who else are you protecting instead ?

[FlamesNation23]

I love the fact that we dont have a goalie signed beyond this year. If Gilles does awesome in the AHL next year and he seems close to ready, then we can extend johnson or elliot a few more years to have a veteran during the transition. If it seems like Gilles isnt ready, we can still extend Elliot or trade for one of the big name goalies (Bishop, Fleury, etc.) that teams need to get rid of prior to the expansion draft. We are in a really good position imo.

[AC]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I ran the general fanager mock draft a couple times.

IMO, the Flames will lose a forward. I think it's Brouwer, Frolik or Backlund.

The Pens are screwed in net. They either lose Matt Murray for nothing, or trade Fleury for peanuts.

The Flames will protect all 3 IMO.

1. Gaudreau
2. Monahan
3. Bennett
4. Backlund
5. Brouwer
6. Frolik
7. Ferland or Shinkaruk, depending on how this season goes

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Johnson was a 1 year deal. He doesn't meet the requirements because he is not under contract for 2017/18. The earliest the Flames could sign him to a contract for 17/18 is January 1st.

Yes, I'm wondering why we didn't sign him to a 2 year deal. I would have loved to have him locked up for more than just one year and it would have solved our goalie expansion draft eligibility issues. Perhaps he insisted on a one year deal to prove himself in hopes of securing a more lucrative long term deal next off-season??

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

It shouldn't be that hard. All they need to do is sign some AHL journey man with 3+ years of pro experience to a 2 year NHL minimum deal sometime this year.

Yeah, but then you are stuck with some AHL journeyman on an NHL deal for the rest of this year when you already have Gillies, Rittich and McDonald battling for the AHL net and the loser of that battle already taking the ECHL net.

Then next season you still have those three (unless Rittich bombs and doesn't get qualified) plus probably Schneider turning pro, and maybe even Parsons as well.

Better than paying some sort of steep penalty I guess, but not an ideal situation at the moment.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Hes

I think all three of those guys are going to be protected . Who else are you protecting instead ?

I protect the following players:

F
1. Monahan
2. Johnny
3. Bennett
4. One of Frolik, Backlund or Brouwer. Obviously 2 of 3 will be exposed.

D
1. Gio
2. Brodie
3. Hamilton
4. Jokipakka

G
1. Placeholder. You have to protect a goalie no matter what. Likely Elliot.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

Yes, I'm wondering why we didn't sign him to a 2 year deal. I would have loved to have him locked up for more than just one year and it would have solved our goalie expansion draft eligibility issues. Perhaps he insisted on a one year deal to prove himself in hopes of securing a more lucrative long term deal next off-season??

Flames probably want to see how Gillies looks with a full AHL year and also how Rittich looks on NA ice before committing more than year to a probable back up goalie.

They're probably hoping one of those two show the ability to at least be a back up at the NHL level after this next season.

[AC]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I protect the following players:

F
1. Monahan
2. Johnny
3. Bennett
4. One of Frolik, Backlund or Brouwer. Obviously 2 of 3 will be exposed.

D
1. Gio
2. Brodie
3. Hamilton
4. Jokipakka

G
1. Placeholder. You have to protect a goalie no matter what. Likely Elliot.

I really liked what I saw from Jokipakka, but given the Flames prospect depth on D compared to what we have on F, I think we'd rather expose and lose Jokipakka.

Wotherspoon, Kulak, Kylington, and Andersson all look to be close. Not even including Hickey or Culkin.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I protect the following players:

F
1. Monahan
2. Johnny
3. Bennett
4. One of Frolik, Backlund or Brouwer. Obviously 2 of 3 will be exposed.

D
1. Gio
2. Brodie
3. Hamilton
4. Jokipakka

G
1. Placeholder. You have to protect a goalie no matter what. Likely Elliot.

What has Jokkipakka done to be kept over Brouwer or Frolik (definitely protect
Backlund over them)? In my opinion he has not come close to forcing the Flames to protect 8 skaters over 10.

[Knut]

Yeah. You do not protect Jokkipakka to risk losing Backlund, Frolik or Brouwer. Unless two of these Forwards have completely Dud years.

[Roof-Daddy]

I can't see the Flames going 8 skaters 1 goalie format for expansion.

I will be shocked if it's not 7-3-1

1. Monahan
2. Gaudreau
3. Bennett
4. Backlund
5. Brouwer
6. Frolik
7. Shinkaruk, Ferland, Poirier, Chiasson (whichever young forward has the best season)

1. Giordano
2. Brodie
3. Hamilton

1. Elliot (If extended)

That's how I see it anyways.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I protect the following players:

F
1. Monahan
2. Johnny
3. Bennett
4. One of Frolik, Backlund or Brouwer. Obviously 2 of 3 will be exposed.

D
1. Gio
2. Brodie
3. Hamilton
4. Jokipakka

G
1. Placeholder. You have to protect a goalie no matter what. Likely Elliot.

I think this sums up why the Flames are more likely to protect 7F-3D-1G. Jokipakka could be a really nice player, but wouldn't be the slam dunk expansion pick that Frolik, Backlund or Brouwer would be.

[CroFlames]

Jokipakka can play top 4. You lose him, and who do you replace him with in the short term? Wideman is very likely not going to play a full season with the Flames and will be gone IMO. Engelleand, Smid, Nakladal and the prospects are bottom pair guys.

I think the Flames are rounding the last turn on their rebuild. You have to go for it at some point, and I think it starts this season and next. History shows that guys' statistical primes are before they are 24. Now is the time to do it.

[DionTheDman]

If Gio has an off-year and/or starts to show his age a bit, I wonder if Calgary considers exposing him. I think the optics would look pretty bad if they did, as would the impact on the team inside the dressing room, but a cap hit of 6.75 off the books on a 33+ year old could be tempting.

[FlamesNation23]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

If Gio has an off-year and/or starts to show his age a bit, I wonder if Calgary considers exposing him. I think the optics would look pretty bad if they did, as would the impact on the team inside the dressing room, but a cap hit of 6.75 off the books on a 33+ year old could be tempting.

Pretty sure flames would trade him before exposing him...

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

It shouldn't be that hard. All they need to do is sign some AHL journey man with 3+ years of pro experience to a 2 year NHL minimum deal sometime this year.

And then they are stuck with that goalie on an NHL deal as he obviously won't be claimed.

Seems to me its almost a given that either Elliott or Johnson gets extended in January. A little surprised they couldn't find a way to agree on a 2 year deal for Johnson.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Jokipakka can play top 4. You lose him, and who do you replace him with in the short term? Wideman is very likely not going to play a full season with the Flames and will be gone IMO. Engelleand, Smid, Nakladal and the prospects are bottom pair guys.

I think the Flames are rounding the last turn on their rebuild. You have to go for it at some point, and I think it starts this season and next. History shows that guys' statistical primes are before they are 24. Now is the time to do it.

Not sure why you would think this. Not even sure Kevin is top 4 over Wotherspoon or Nakladal or even Kulak.

[Strange Brew]

Jokipakka would need to have an absolute breakout season IMO to not be exposed, and risk losing one of Frolik, Backlund or Brower. Very unlikely IMO.