[Trade] Canucks trade Jared McCann, 2nd, 4th to Panthers for Erik Gudbranson + 5th

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Bill Watters on TSN1040 right now calling this a massive win for Vancouver, for what that's worth.

I didn't realize Watters was still in the business. That's as hollow as Ron MacLean saying you can book that the Oilers will win the cup in 4 years.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I really don't like that he's a canuck but he's only under contract for one year. I really likeED him because he was a beast and is tough as nails. Hopefully he only stays there the one year and moves on. I think he would be a great replacement for Engelland after this coming year, he'd be a good middle pairing guy and a great bottom pairing guy but could turn into a decent top pairing guy if he ever reaches his potential. If he improved his actual hockey skills a bit, I think he'd be a great compliment to a guy like Hamilton because I think Hamilton would do better with a really defensive partner who plays more physical.

2016-17 will be Gudbranson's sixth NHL season, so I believe he would only be a RFA.

Your comment says a lot to me about why Sportsnet basically called Benning an idiot in the headline of this trade story. They gave up McCann and a second rounder for a guy who is roughly equivalent to our 5/6 defenceman in Engelland.

Bravo, Benning.

[Resolute 14]

From Reddit:

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Commandant

This is gold...

Travis Yost ‏@travisyost 5h5 hours ago
Stay at home defender Erik Gudbranson's shots against impact comparable to Jared Cowen and Nate Guenin. He's not who you think he is.

Travis Yost ‏@travisyost 5h5 hours ago
And that's his supposed strength. His EV scoring rates are Adam McQuaid and Luca Sbisa. This is just lunacy.

You should never believe a guy who makes his player analysis solely based on advanced stats.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Saqe

You should never believe a guy who makes his player analysis solely based on advanced stats.

What's not to believe in those tweets?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

There is a benefit to having a guy on a 1 year who's an RFA at the end of the season - basically gives him a 1 year audition after which he's cost-controlled. But it still doesn't justify giving up the 2nd rounder.

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah those tweets are pretty good at telling the story actually, not sure why you would discount them just because they are "advanced stats".

He is big & physical. He provides little offense. His main role on a team is to suppress shots and be a shutdown d-man.

But his shot suppression metrics actually show he doesn't do a good job at stopping the other team from getting shots. He is more of a Jared Cowan than a Robyn Regehr, and that's not a good thing when you are giving up multiple future pieces.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Benning:

It kind of came together rather quickly. We knew the price to acquire a top-four defenceman was going to be high and giving up McCann was a tough decision. But I just felt like we needed to add a top-four-guy to our group because the market is just so tough.”

They (Panthers) had a lot of interest in Jared and if you look at the Dougie Hamilton deal in Calgary — a first- and two second-round 2015 picks to Boston at the last draft — and theGriffin Reinhart deal to Edmonton — a first-round pick and 33rd-overall pick to the Islanders — that kind of set the precedent. It was tough to give up the second-round pick in this draft. But we felt it was worth giving up that 33rd-overall pick.

Did Benning somehow forget that McCann is a 19 year old first round pick that has grown in value by proving he can play in the NHL? "Well the Oilers traded a first and 2nd round pick for a defenceman, so we should too".

Best part is the Oilers realizing just how bad that Reinhart deal really was, if Benning can still outvalue the Oilers in a trade.

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/ho...-reinhart-deal

[Firebot]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/a...ik-gudbranson/

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

You have to think Mccann really wanted out of Van, but why make this trade.... a potential #2/3 center straight across for a #4 D would be a fair trade. If the trade stopped there I would call it fair but to get absolutely robbed blind on the pick swap when you are rebuilding is mind numbing.

Gotta think Benning is on borrowed time and could be hitting the unemployment line in the near future.

With Sedin, Sutter, and Horvat ahead of him, perhaps McCann just felt there wasn't a future for him there? McCann would definitely be in direct competition with Sutter and Horvat for ice time and unlikely to surpass either on the depth chart.

Vancouver seems to have a history of young centres wanting out...well maybe just McCann and Hodgson. That still quite a bit. In the course of 4 years to give up 2 recent first round picks, both centres with top 6 upside.

Maybe the Sedins, despite their nice guy persona, are competitive A-holes, who make it clear that they are the top dogs and no one else is getting a chance. Maybe management is just not flexible enough about what playing styles they allow on the team. Although that seems weird, as they've allowed players like Bartschi to do whatever they want.

Something just seems very strange about this trade.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He's being highly overrated in this thread.

He's highly over-rated in a lot of places. I've never found him overly impressive.

This trade really does fit Bennings modus operandi. The Canucks want to "rebuild/retool on the fly" and "get younger"... in other words they want to jump from one competitive window to the next without the messy pain of the firesale rebuild from the ground up (which is a poor choice but maybe that was decreed from ownership) so he's collecting young NHL'ers but nobody is going give up young NHL'ers for nothing and since they're not trading the old core (Edler and the Sedins) they're exchanging upside. Benning wants the young players with a high floor and he's willing to trade younger players with the higher ceiling to get it.

[nik-]

While I feel it's an overpayment, I don't really feel this is a "Dim Jim" moment ... but maybe I just haven't seen Gudbranson enough

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Saqe

You should never believe a guy who makes his player analysis solely based on advanced stats.

It's not a question of believe. He is simply sharing data. That is his job at TSN. Not "believing" the data is like not believing the Earth is round.

You can take Yost's analysis with a grain of salt if you like.... and hey so does Benning.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by nik-

While I feel it's an overpayment, I don't really feel this is a "Dim Jim" moment ... but maybe I just haven't seen Gudbranson enough

Yeah, i don't see this being some massive fleecing either. I think the reasoning behind the move is understandable, and the value going back is not outrageous. It's a bit of a risk for the Canucks, but if he becomes the player they think he can be, than it can also be a pretty big win.

[Ashasx]

The value is not far off to what we paid for Hamilton.

Imagine if we had picked up Gudbranson instead of Dougie.

It's a bad trade for the Canucks.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

There's THREE Gunbrandlundson's!?

[Robbob]

(Meant as a response to Van winning the trade)
I am leaning to them winning as well. They got player with a pretty unique skillset for what amounts to a bag of magic beans. Kind of early to tell how it will pan out. Kind of puzzling at the end of the day because Vancouver should be stockpiling picks not trading them and Florida should be getting experienced NHL bodies as they are in the mix as a playoff team. I am starting to wonder if maybe there was another team potentially involved (I'm looking at you Edmonton) and the 2nd was something that team didn't want to give up.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The value is not far off to what we paid for Hamilton.

Imagine if we had picked up Gudbranson instead of Dougie.

It's a bad trade for the Canucks.

It is kinda funny to see that the Flames set the market for young d-men when they traded for Hamilton, and it had led other rivals to make questionable trades (downright horrible in the case of the Oilers).

Hamilton for 15 (Senyshyn), 45 (Forsbacka-Karlsson), 52 (Lauzon)

Reinhart for 16 (Barzal) , 33 (Stephens)

Gudbranson for McCann (24-2014), 33, 93

Flames got the best player and may end up giving up the least since Barzal & McCann are likely better propsects than Senyshyn. Plus the 2nd rounders the Flames gave up were lower than the 33rd overalls the other teams gave up.

[Da_Chief]

I think it's fair trade. Flames equivalent would be Jankowski, 2nd, 4th for an established #4. Not a crazy thought.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Flames got the best player and may end up giving up the least since Barzal & McCann are likely better propsects than Senyshyn.

I'd like to think Treliving would have been smart enough not to take Senyshyn. So this theory only holds owing to the stupidity of Don Sweeney. If he takes Kyle Connor with that pick, that changes everything. I think a #15 has more value than McCann... but then, so does Hamilton have more value than Gudbranson. And it's not particularly close.