2016 Garbage bag day @ the dome

[GranteedEV]

Hartley
-96 goals against in first 28 games killed them. Goals against has to improve. Commitment to shot blocking was missing this year. Defense was inconsistent.
-PK. Must. Win. Faceoffs. Got absolutely killed.
-There is a lack of experience in the core group
-Treliving/Burke/Hartley all agree on philosophy and style Flames need to play.

Toonage covered most of it.

- 3 goalies, knew it didn't work, thought they would reinvent the art of goaltending (facetious?), hoped it would work

Adds that we "knew why we did it" probably alluding to not losing Ortio to waivers.

[psyang]

Thanks GranteedEV for the great coles notes. Much appreciated!

[flame^thrower]

Thanks for the updates. Very much appreciated!

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by FBI

Bollig: Goaltending played well

deeeerp

Great. NOW he stands up for his teammates...

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

It's weird that there are No-Trade Clauses, No-Movement Clauses, but no such thing as a No-Waive Clause. You would think a No-Waive Clause would be a great incentive to retain a guy like Grant.

Some have NMC's with No trade lists, essentially making it a no waive clause but until a player is established in the NHL they do not deserve a clause like that

[MarkGio]

I couldn't find alot of these interviews online. I wanted to hear all of them, but only the goalies, Backlund, Bennett, Trevy and Hartely are on the Flames website.

[Point Blank]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I couldn't find alot of these interviews online. I wanted to hear all of them, but only the goalies, Backlund, Bennett, Trevy and Hartely are on the Flames website.

They're all up on their official page on Facebook.

[calgaryboy]

Hiller remained to be a clown also in exit interviews. Read all this thread and saw some apologizes for Hiller. Don ´t understand. He was the worst goalie in NHL, ultraterrible, soft, out of play, no rebound control, everything you can imagine was wrong with him. I have absolutely zero, ZERO sympathy for him, was not able to watch him during games even on the bench where he looked disinterested and bored.

He is selfish as hell, not able to accept any blame on himself. It was always about bad D, too many good scoring chances and blahblahblah. ZERO sympathy. He was not able to act like a real man in exit interview. "Yeah , I was really bad, and it was maybe my worst year in my career." That would be at least an answer by a real man. Because that is the truth we had all to witness. His bad play was beyond everything, probably the worst goalie season effort in the whole league in last 20 years.

As for the next season, if we will find a real NO. 1 goalie and if Treliving will fill some holes, there is no reason for us not to be in a PO next season again!

GO FLAMES!!!!!!! Team of my hockey heart FOREVER!

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by calgaryboy

Hiller remained to be a clown also in exit interviews. Read all this thread and saw some apologizes for Hiller. Don ´t understand. He was the worst goalie in NHL, ultraterrible, soft, out of play, no rebound control, everything you can imagine was wrong with him. I have absolutely zero, ZERO sympathy for him, was not able to watch him during games even on the bench where he looked disinterested and bored.

He is selfish as hell, not able to accept any blame on himself. It was always about bad D, too many good scoring chances and blahblahblah. ZERO sympathy. He was not able to act like a real man in exit interview. "Yeah , I was really bad, and it was maybe my worst year in my career." That would be at least an answer by a real man. Because that is the truth we had all to witness. His bad play was beyond everything, probably the worst goalie season effort in the whole league in last 20 years.

As for the next season, if we will find a real NO. 1 goalie and if Treliving will fill some holes, there is no reason for us not to be in a PO next season again!

GO FLAMES!!!!!!! Team of my hockey heart FOREVER!

First thing he talked about was how he had a bad year. and even said he didn't think he would find an NHL job. Stop making things up just to kick a guy when he is down.

[PepsiFree]

I'm not really getting the "Hiller isn't a real man" thing. What he said mostly doesn't bother me. Then again, I'm not the kind of guy who needs to grab his dog's collar, lead him to a pile a crap he left in the kitchen, and scream "see what you did!?"

He's done, gone. Gave us some great goaltending. Gave us some bad goaltending. Will give us neither next year.

Who cares whether he feels responsible or not?

I'm a lot more interested what actual members of the team have to say and how they respond going forward.

[calgaryboy]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

First thing he talked about was how he had a bad year. and even said he didn't think he would find an NHL job. Stop making things up just to kick a guy when he is down.

But he did not forget to mention many apologies around, bad D and bla blah. I was bad, period. No need to talk about other things. But that is just my opinion. And I have right to talk about his performance in general and I really do think he was the worst goalie in NHL. And I can see no reason why not to write it. For me he is the NO. 1 reason this season was a mess for Flames. There were other bad parts I know, but Hiller is at the top for me. Again, just my opinion.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by calgaryboy

But he did not forget to mention many apologies around, bad D and bla blah. I was bad, period. No need to talk about other things. But that is just my opinion. And I have right to talk about his performance in general and I really do think he was the worst goalie in NHL. And I can see no reason why not to write it. For me he is the NO. 1 reason this season was a mess for Flames. There were other bad parts I know, but Hiller is at the top for me. Again, just my opinion.

He was speaking of the goaltending of the team in general, I took that more as him defending Ramo and Ortio and the defense was bad and they gave up way too many premium scoring chances; so what did he say that was wrong exactly? Other players said the same thing. Even Ortio made a comment about how it's easy to blame the goaltending.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Inferno

I just watched Hiller's interview. The guy really seems to have a hard time with accountability. He said he didn't think the goaltending was horrible this season and blamed the defense giving up too many scoring chances. I remember him doing the same thing earlier in the season when he was pulled and sat in the dressing room for a while pouting. He said he thought the goals weren't his fault and once Hartley told him he was pulled as a message to the team he felt better.

Good riddance.

That's a bit harsh...the guy is clearly crushed... I was expecting him to break down in tears...tough interview...I found it awkward to watch

[GullFoss]

The ramo interview makes me wonder if he ends up back here if they cant trade for the goalie they want...

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

That's a bit harsh...the guy is clearly crushed... I was expecting him to break down in tears...tough interview...I found it awkward to watch

I felt the same, the guy had just been told he was being cut loose and more or less admitted he thinks in NHL career is over and saying he played poorly. Somehow that is no accountability though. People just like to kick others when they are down.

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Remember if he trashes the goaltending he's trashing Ortio and Ramo so rather than go that route and say they were terrible he talks about the early team struggles. I just don't understand why we have to trash the guy on his way out the door. After two years of nothing he's all of a sudden a bad guy and teammate on garbage day? Tough crowd. Things didn't work out but let's not go all Oilers fan and trash players on the way out as its petty.

Also some revisionist history going on here as Kipper was the first guy sneaking out the back door on garbage bag day.

Nobody is thrashing him, we're just wondering why he can't ever own up to his own fault. It's always somebody else. And while he's right in the sense that the defense was poor, based on his quotes he doesn't seem to think goaltending was a problem AT ALL. He's throwing his teammates under the bus, I don't understand how you can't see it. Especially since he did it in Anaheim as well, there is a pattern there.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

Nobody is thrashing him, we're just wondering why he can't ever own up to his own fault. It's always somebody else. And while he's right in the sense that the defense was poor, based on his quotes he doesn't seem to think goaltending was a problem AT ALL. He's throwing his teammates under the bus, I don't understand how you can't see it. Especially since he did it in Anaheim as well, there is a pattern there.

Except he did say he was bad, how is that so hard for people like you to understand? And why can he not be honest? The defense was terrible and they did give up too many premium scoring chances. People bitch and moan about cliche answers and when someone is honest they take a steaming dump all over them.

[Machiavelli]

^ I digress, but that's still a big problem with the NHL...show a little personality or be a little different, and it's an uphill battle for you.

Heck, some people said Iggy smiled too much in post-game interviews.

NHL is very much an old-boys club. Wonder when that will change...

But again, I digress.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Hiller had a tough run. Earlier in the year, Team D was brutal and affected all goalies.

The guy had a rough year, confidence was clearly shot, and it looked like a team issue at many times in front of him as well. Tough to build off of

The season is over. Not time to slag a guy who put in a good year last year but somehow could not put it together consistently this year

He played well for the Flames last year.

He wasn't taking this team to the playoffs but this team wasn't letting any goalie take them there.

Cheers and best of luck in Switzerland, Jonas. I have worked in underachieving work environments, under much duller lights. You had very great moments in your career.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I think people are getting on Hiller because of 2 reasons - past instances, and the fact that I believe he was the only player pointing a finger at someone else other than himself. From everything I heard/read, he was the only one pointing a finger in another direction.