[Trade] Ladd (36%), Harrison, Fraser traded to Chicago for Dano, 1st, and conditional 3rd

[White Out 403]

I guess he means he will be a future star elsewhere?

...? Best I can come up with.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The Vermette deal in 2015 worked and this one didn't. I am sure trading all these picks and prospects will hurt the Hawks down the road but they have won 3 cups in 6 years with a core still in their prime. Gotta go for it

Thing is, they always get picks and prospects back in the off-season.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Thing is, they always get picks and prospects back in the off-season.

What picks or prospects have they been getting back?

Sorry, I'm not aware of any off the top of my head.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

What picks or prospects have they been getting back?

Sorry, I'm not aware of any off the top of my head.

I think he means historically when they have to get rid of Saad for instance they get some picks back. They have Columbus's 4th #94 overall pick in 2016 from the saad trade. Other than that all they have so far is their own 3rd around #86 and their own later round picks

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I think he means historically when they have to get rid of Saad for instance they get some picks back. They have Columbus's 4th #94 overall pick in 2016 from the saad trade. Other than that all they have so far is their own 3rd around #86 and their own later round picks

Those are not quality picks. They're lucky they have Keith at a cap friendly hit. The $10.5M to Kane and Toews are going to the death of them. At least Kane is worth it.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Those are not quality picks. They're lucky they have Keith at a cap friendly hit. The $10.5M to Kane and Toews are going to the death of them. At least Kane is worth it.

Again. They've won 3 Stanley Cups in the last 6 years. Toews/Kane are the cost of doing business. What are they going to do, not sign their captain?

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Again. They've won 3 Stanley Cups in the last 6 years. Toews/Kane are the cost of doing business. What are they going to do, not sign their captain?

Of course not. They had to sign both. Just too bad neither gave hometown discounts. Toews contract will be an anchor in a couple years IMO

Just like Dustin Brown's already is for the Kings

[JiriHrdina]

Why would you think Toews contract will be an anchor. He is a model of consistency and a complete player. He's exactly the type of guy you make a long-term commitment to.

[IgiTang]

^ agreed. Furthermore, they brought in 3 cups in 6 years and the era is known a modern day Dynasty.

They earned their 10.5 mil, even if Chicago doesnt win a Stanley cup in the next 2 decades.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Why would you think Toews contract will be an anchor. He is a model of consistency and a complete player. He's exactly the type of guy you make a long-term commitment to.

Sure he is… but $10.5 million is still an overpayment. You can argue that Kane was worth the money – in a career year, with offensive stats he is unlikely to repeat.

If it were possible for the Hawks to claw back about $3 million of the cap hit from those two contracts, they'd be in a far better position to benefit from making those commitments. But it isn't.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Sure he is… but $10.5 million is still an overpayment. You can argue that Kane was worth the money – in a career year, with offensive stats he is unlikely to repeat.

If it were possible for the Hawks to claw back about $3 million of the cap hit from those two contracts, they'd be in a far better position to benefit from making those commitments. But it isn't.

Ask yourself this...

If the Hockey Gods said "you will win 3 cups in 6 years, you will not win a cup for the next 15-20, but to get those cups, you must have these 2 players to do it with. These players must be paid $10.5 million dollars a season for the next 8 years. But you will likely be in the dance more often than not before the 20 years is up".

Do you make the deal with the hockey gods?

Every day!

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Ask yourself this...

If the Hockey Gods said "you will win 3 cups in 6 years, you will not win a cup for the next 15-20, but to get those cups, you must have these 2 players to do it with. These players must be paid $10.5 million dollars a season for the next 8 years. But you will likely be in the dance more often than not before the 20 years is up".

Do you make the deal with the hockey gods?

Every day!

The problem is, they won the three cups before paying Toews and Kane that money. They may never win a championship during those contracts, because they can't afford a good enough supporting cast.

Do you still make that deal?

Not hardly.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The problem is, they won the three cups before paying Toews and Kane that money. They may never win a championship during those contracts, because they can't afford a good enough supporting cast.



Do you still make that deal?



Not hardly.

What's the alternative? It would take guts to trade a Kane or Toews at their peak.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Ask yourself this...

If the Hockey Gods said "you will win 3 cups in 6 years, you will not win a cup for the next 15-20, but to get those cups, you must have these 2 players to do it with. These players must be paid $10.5 million dollars a season for the next 8 years. But you will likely be in the dance more often than not before the 20 years is up".

Do you make the deal with the hockey gods?

Every day!

Posted in supported of paying Toews 10.5M

You think that the Hawks were not competitive and had a reasonable chance of winning the cup this year ? It took St.L 7 games to beat them all 4 St.L wins were by 1 goal, one in OT.

St.L has a totally reasonable chance of winning the cup this year. They were paper thin margin in edging out the Hawks.


I feel a lot more comfortable about the Hawks making the playoffs and having winning some rounds with the burden of future HOF 27 year old Toews 10.5 M contact compared to the 6.75 the Flames have tied up in 33 year old 4 career playoff game Gio.

Think the Hawks would dump salary and trade Toews for Gio?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I feel a lot more comfortable about the Hawks making the playoffs and having winning some rounds with the burden of future HOF 27 year old Toews 10.5 M contact compared to the 6.75 the Flames have tied up in 33 year old 4 career playoff game Gio.

Think the Hawks would dump salary and trade Toews for Gio?

Yeah, we know. This is your schtick.

But still, Toews + Kane at $21 million = 29.4% of this season's cap.
Giordano at $6.75 million = 9.5% of next season's cap… if the cap does not increase at all.

I don't know if you've ever noticed, but 9.5 is less than 29.4.

As for the number of playoff games Giordano has been in… well, to suggest that it's relevant is unusually thick even for you.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

^ agreed. Furthermore, they brought in 3 cups in 6 years and the era is known a modern day Dynasty.

Not a dynasty.

1) They never repeated as Champions.
2) There was another team - LA- who had as much a right to the 'dynasty' tag as Chicago; the very fact that there is another contender for the crown negates the existence of a dynasty.

[albertGQ]

I know the Hawks have won 3 cups in 6 years. And if the choice is to win three cups and sign two players to $10.5M contracts for 8 years, you do that in a heart beat.

BUT going forward, those contracts, especially Toews, will be an anchor. Toews should be paid a bit more than Bergeron. Not more Then Crosby.

We see players deteriorating unexpectedly all the time. Dustin Brown, Mike Richards, Eric Staal, Lecavalier, etc.

I don't think it's crazy to think that Toews won't be worth $10.5M in a few years. Personally, I don't think he's worth that right now

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Yeah, we know. This is your schtick.

But still, Toews + Kane at $21 million = 29.4% of this season's cap.
Giordano at $6.75 million = 9.5% of next season's cap… if the cap does not increase at all.

I don't know if you've ever noticed, but 9.5 is less than 29.4.

As for the number of playoff games Giordano has been in… well, to suggest that it's relevant is unusually thick even for you.

So there is no difference between Gio playing 5/6 D-man in 4 playoff games compares with Toews 124 games as 1C and being a key player on a team with 8 straight playoff appearances.

That could be your your schtick

So you wouldn't consider 3.75M money well spent if the Flames could trade Gio for Toews tomorrow?

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

I know the Hawks have won 3 cups in 6 years. And if the choice is to win three cups and sign two players to $10.5M contracts for 8 years, you do that in a heart beat.

BUT going forward, those contracts, especially Toews, will be an anchor. Toews should be paid a bit more than Bergeron. Not more Then Crosby.

We see players deteriorating unexpectedly all the time. Dustin Brown, Mike Richards, Eric Staal, Lecavalier, etc.

I don't think it's crazy to think that Toews won't be worth $10.5M in a few years. Personally, I don't think he's worth that right now

Toews and Kane got paid 10.5M this year!! With the rest of low salary the slugs on the team they still finished with the 5th best record in the league over the regular season.

This year without Sharp Saad and Oduya ( and Brad Richards) dumped due to cap they still were a never in doubt of making the playoffs team.

Toews just turned 28 the age Iginla when they started playing hockey after the 2004 cup run. He will be 33 the last year of the contract..... The same age that Gio is when he starts his 6 year deal

[Roof-Daddy]

What in the **** does Gio's contract have to do with the Andrew Ladd trade?

Somebody put this numbskull out of his (and our) misery already.