I just can't believe they named replacements and none of them were Coyotes players. Why on Earth would you name Neal instead of Domi, Duclair, Boedker or, hell, even Doan I guess.
1. He lives/plays there
2. Its a divisional format...although Scott not being in the NHL kinda messes with that already
I think the point is that regardless of how much of a "good guy" Scott is - he still has been a dirty NHLer who has hurt a lot of guys.
I'm curious what makes defines a dirty player for you and how many "a lot" of guys is?
I googled his name and saw 3 suspension, perhaps there are more I couldn't find. First was a nothing suspension for barely starting a fight after a line change.
Second was a bit of a dirty play where he was crosschecked by Jackman and reacted by swinging his arm around and got unlucky because it caught Jackman in the chin and knocked him out. He's not guilt free but if he hits Jackmans shoulder (and clearly there was no intention to hit him in the face since he wasn't looking at Jackman) then we aren't even talking about it ever. It wasn't a sucker punch and it wasn't even with a bare fist. He swung his glove around.
Last was the hit on Eriksson, which was a head shot but was all shoulder and was the type that has to be suspended but wasn't a Raffi Torres or Matt Cooke intentional career ender.
Are there others? Or are two sort of bad plays enough to label him a dirty goon who "hurt a lot of guys"? I'm not saying he shouldn't have been suspended for those plays. Nor do I think they were clean plays. But lets be clear, John Scott, that I can tell, does not have some laundry list of violent plays where he has repeatedly coldcocked guys or gone headhunting.
Is Wideman now forever a dirty player? How many other players have faced a suspension or two for similar type plays?
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The worst thing he did was when he want after Phil Kessel, got what he deserved in that case
I know we like to joke about Phil but really imagine if he dropped the gloves on Hudler or Mony
doesn't exclude him from the allstar game, him not being the the NHL on the other hand but honestly who cares
you could see this coming a mile away...outrage followed by he's the greatest guy in the world
I promise you he scores some goals tomorrow too, players look out for each other...he will be setup and maybe Lou or someone lets him get an easy one or the D lets up just a bit
Yeah the hit on Eriksson, incidents with Jackman, and him chasing around Kessel like a thug are good enough for me.
And the thing is - the guy doesn't do anything else. It isn't like he wins faceoffs, or is a great PKer. He is there for intimidation alone.
A guy like him isn't what the NHL or hockey is about for me. And I don't give a hoot what a great guy he is off the ice.
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I am watching golf, and saw that cbs national news is highlighting him as one of their top stories, and it sounded in a positve way.
This would have been a way better story if it was actually a long time great teammate, person, goon, or whatever who was never going to get there.
Basically they just let the internet trolls get off on actually affecting who was in the game, and then caved to the fake internet troll outrage. It would have been so easy to have just said that there is some funny business in the voting and we are going to disqualify a bunch of votes.
The Tribune article was probably the best thing that could happen to the NHL because it put a pretty human face on the whole thing in a pretty good way.
It seems like he is probably a decent person, like most goons are. At the same time he took a short cut to taking a lucrative job away from someone who put hours and hours into actually being a skilled hockey player. And merely by the fact that Scott still has a job, it is also highlighting NHL's complete and reckless disregard for everything we now know about brain health.
This could have been a good story, but instead it just highlights both the internet trolls and the NHL's appetite for attention at all cost.
If that's the way you guys feel about 'dirty players', head shots and concussions, I'm surprised you haven't started a movement to have Scott Stevens removed from the HHOF.
You want to talk about a guy who ruined careers, Stevens would have to be considered the poster boy for head shots and concussions. Let's get his kind out of the Hall of Fame. Amirite?!
The NHL accepted the way Stevens played, as did the fans.
The NHL does NOT accept the way Scott plays, nor do the fans given the larger outcry against concussions and dirty hits.
Scott is the definition of a dirty player whose only purpose in the league is to hurt players. I suppose he justifies it by saying he protects his teammates, which makes him an even bigger dirty player. Easy to protect your teammates if all you'll do is headshot the guy on the other team.
The NHL accepted the way Stevens played, as did the fans.
The NHL does NOT accept the way Scott plays, nor do the fans given the larger outcry against concussions and dirty hits.
Scott is the definition of a dirty player whose only purpose in the league is to hurt players. I suppose he justifies it by saying he protects his teammates, which makes him an even bigger dirty player. Easy to protect your teammates if all you'll do is headshot the guy on the other team.
Protecting your teammates and intending to injure are two very different things.
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I guess they aren't, because I don't hear you and Red Menace and the others loudly crying about James Neal's participation. In fact, it does not appear that either of you has spoken a single word on the subject.
But to answer your question "why not"? How about because your whining in every single thread on the topic is as tedious as it is pointless? Yes, we all get that you guys hate fighters and hate Scott and hate the fact that his existence somehow cheapens an event that the best players in the world don't even want to attend in the first place.
So in a discussion focused on Scott as a person, you and Red Menace have to saunter into the thread and try to make it all about yourselves and your overzealous obsession
Thanks, but I hardly whine in every single discussion about this, and if I do post my thoughts, my stance on players like Neal should be evident as well.
You have no actual counterpoint to make in regards to me saying Scott doesn't deserve to play in the NHL much less the All-Star game due to being a dirty player, so just give it up.
And yes, my argument applies to every single player in the NHL who plays that way, regardless of who they play for or how many goals they score.
Yeah, this really needs to be emphasized. If you want to talk about dirty play, this guy's one of the worst offenders in the league, historically. And for that matter, would you guys similarly be up in arms about Duncan Keith playing in the ASG? Same deal there.
Let's back up a minute.
One has to give players the benefit of the doubt that in the heat of the moment almost everyone might make a dumb decision. Like Keith. Who should have been punished accordingly. However, that the should be kicked out of the NHL is a completely different story as Keith is certainly not a repeat offender, nor is his ONLY purpose in the NHL to 'hurt' guys. Scott on the other hand is a completely different story, and the video evidence is all over Youtube.
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Good question. How many has he hurt?
I mean, point me to three truly dirty plays by John Scott? The only one that jumps immediately to mind is the Eriksson hit, and he apologized profusely for it and seemed genuinely contrite. Maybe I've just managed to miss the myriad incidents of dangerous play involving this guy (as opposed to general hockey-tough-guy behaviour which doesn't actually send anyone to the IR).
Sorry, but the apology after numerous other incidents falls on deaf ears. Cooke also apologized and swore that he is a different person. Until he mashed someone else into the boards from behind.
Honestly, I don't even get why you guys are arguing about it. I could easily go find the threads about Scott where MANY people said he should be kicked out of the league because of his dirty plays.
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Protecting your teammates and intending to injure are two very different things.
His argument throughout the process is that he makes his teammates feel safe on the ice. I'm fine with that, except he has a history of being a dirty player, so obviously he feels it is acceptable to hurt other players in the name of 'protecting his teammates.'
It is also hilarious how he goes after players like Kessel and Eriksonn. Imagine how'd we feel if some good on the other team would always going after Johnny and headshot him.
Scott being in the league is the NHL's fault not Scott's. As is letting fans vote him into the game.
Every player in the NHL deserves to be there.
I'm indifferent as you all know. I can watch hockey if there was no fighting or fighting all the time. The league just has to choose which one it wants.
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A internet troll voted him in? Hundreds of thousand trolls voted him in!
Don't like it don't watch!
Fans asked for the player to be here, and here he is. You don't have to like it.
I didn't vote Liberal or NDP yet I must suffer cause of trolls lol. Surely those Scott haters can handle one meaningless game with John Scott? I got to deal with the Liberals and NDP for four years.
You have no actual counterpoint to make in regards to me saying Scott doesn't deserve to play in the NHL much less the All-Star game due to being a dirty player, so just give it up.
Actually, I do. The league said the player who received the most votes in each division is an All-Star and deserves to play in the All-Star Game. Scott received the most votes. You can come up with any emotionally subjective argument you choose, it is an objective fact that Scott deserves to be there.
Yeah the hit on Eriksson, incidents with Jackman, and him chasing around Kessel like a thug are good enough for me.
And the thing is - the guy doesn't do anything else. It isn't like he wins faceoffs, or is a great PKer. He is there for intimidation alone.
A guy like him isn't what the NHL or hockey is about for me. And I don't give a hoot what a great guy he is off the ice.
Ok, let's pretend you know more than the coaches who let him play over 200 NHL games, which is more than what some incredibly talented top rated prospects got but couldn't pull it together at the NHL level.
Scott plays with his heart on his sleeve and lays it all on the ice. He doesn't have the kinesthetic intelligence to play at an elite level, but he has the leadership and character.
Ok, let's pretend you know more than the coaches who let him play over 200 NHL games, which is more than what some incredibly talented top rated prospects got but couldn't pull it together at the NHL level.
Scott plays with his heart on his sleeve and lays it all on the ice. He doesn't have the kinesthetic intelligence to play at an elite level, but he has the leadership and character.
There are literally thousands of guys playing pro hockey with "their heart on their sleeves". It matters squat.
Just a bunch of cliches.
He was in the NHL for one reason and one reason only - because he is big and scary and some anitiquated NHL GMs felt they needed a thug still.
Thankfully the game has evolved to the point that we are witnessing the very last of these guys in the league.
I have nothing personal against any of these guys. I just don't want them in the NHL.
Or you're just butt hurt and can't fathom the idea that some legit hockey fans want to see him there.
Yes, legit hockey fans wanted to see him there... but it was still trolling by anyone voted for him. Even if it was a mix of true fans and non-fans, they were still all trolling. You can be a legit hockey fan and troll internet polls at the same time. They aren't mutually exclusive.
If it wasn't trolling, please tell me the justification for voting him in. If you say he deserved it, you either don't understand the point of the ASG or you are unable to tell the difference between star players and fringe NHLers.
There are literally thousands of guys playing pro hockey with "their heart on their sleeves". It matters squat.
Just a bunch of cliches.
He was in the NHL for one reason and one reason only - because he is big and scary and some anitiquated NHL GMs felt they needed a thug still.
Thankfully the game has evolved to the point that we are witnessing the very last of these guys in the league.
I have nothing personal against any of these guys. I just don't want them in the NHL.
Not cliches. Have you ever played a team sport? Those who have know talent will only take you so far in a team setting. How many talented Flames prospects bust?
I'm sorry, but you don't hold any weight. This is a billion dollar industry and its personnel are some of the best thinkers at the highest level of competition.
