Let's assume for the sake of argument that I hadn't watched that youtube clip.
But okay, now I have. I didn't see him suggest they were going to attack anyone; in fact they said the opposite. But you think they will - presumably because they kept saying "bring your arms", which is definitely concerning... I'm asking, what do you think their target is going to be and why?
You got the opposite out of that? When they say they are going to take back the lands from the Feds that doesn't tell you what their target is? When they speak about this being the head of the spear and hoping this takes root, you don't see that as a call for insurrection? They at hoping that others will follow the 150 that are digging in up in Oregon. They want this to spread across the country. You seriously didn't get that?
And why? Because these delusional individuals believe the rules don't apply to them. They think that they can do what they want, where they want, and how they want, rules be damned. They want access to the public lands for their own benefit over that of everyone else. They have a definite agenda. Have you not read anything about these guys or the Bundy standoff in Nevada? There have been some good links in this thread. Hit them up.
I'm a bookkeeper's son
I don't want to shoot no one
Well I crossed my old man back in Oregon
Don't take me alive
Got a case of dynamite
I could hold out here all night
Yes I crossed my old man back in Oregon
Don't take me alive
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I mean they said they weren't going to hurt anyone, according to that clip. And no, it doesn't tell me what their target is - I was hoping you would specify.
Honestly, what I think they're probably going to do is hole up there and fortify it, which might lead to some sort of siege or standoff. I'm not convinced they're likely to launch any attacks or anything. I could be wrong, but I just can't imagine what they're planning to attack.
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I mean they said they weren't going to hurt anyone, according to that clip. And no, it doesn't tell me what their target is - I was hoping you would specify.
Honestly, what I think they're probably going to do is hole up there and fortify it, which might lead to some sort of siege or standoff. I'm not convinced they're likely to launch any attacks or anything. I could be wrong, but I just can't imagine what they're planning to attack.
I am not comfortable trying to guess what these nutcases will do.
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I mean they said they weren't going to hurt anyone, according to that clip. And no, it doesn't tell me what their target is - I was hoping you would specify.
Honestly, what I think they're probably going to do is hole up there and fortify it, which might lead to some sort of siege or standoff. I'm not convinced they're likely to launch any attacks or anything. I could be wrong, but I just can't imagine what they're planning to attack.
When someone takes over public lands with guns I think them saying they are not going to hurt anyone is hallow. There is no way I believe them or even think they can control their group from doing something stupid. They already made one stupid move, what evidence is there of them not making another one when they get desperate.
They are overgrown babies with weapons. Starve them out and arrest them as they leave 1 by 1. They cannot bend to the demands of these nutjobs.
It was asked earlier in the thread what the Feds or local law enforcement will do. I honestly don't think they are going to do anything. Diffuse the situation by walking away. Let them stamp ther feet for a while. They do not have the support of the locals, and if they don't have an audience that kinda nullifies their cause. As it were.
The last thing anyone wants is another Waco or Ruby Ridge. Hopefully it doesn't come to that.
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It was asked earlier in the thread what the Feds or local law enforcement will do. I honestly don't think they are going to do anything. Diffuse the situation by walking away. Let them stamp ther feet for a while. They do not have the support of the locals, and if they don't have an audience that kinda nullifies their cause. As it were.
The last thing anyone wants is another Waco or Ruby Ridge. Hopefully it doesn't come to that.
I also think that's how it ends and what they should do.
The trouble is this will embolden the others. There's 4 times the number of militias there were in 2001 before 9/11 and most of that increase has been since Obama took power. With the threat of further gun legislation and the NRA doing what the NRA does, militant anti federal government sentiment is rising.
It was asked earlier in the thread what the Feds or local law enforcement will do. I honestly don't think they are going to do anything. Diffuse the situation by walking away. Let them stamp ther feet for a while. They do not have the support of the locals, and if they don't have an audience that kinda nullifies their cause. As it were.
The last thing anyone wants is another Waco or Ruby Ridge. Hopefully it doesn't come to that.
Yup. Civil disobedience by definition requires an illegal act. Don't think anyone is disputing that.
I also think that's how it ends and what they should do.
The trouble is this will embolden the others. There's 4 times the number of militias there were in 2001 before 9/11 and most of that increase has been since Obama took power. With the threat of further gun legislation and the NRA doing what the NRA does, militant anti federal government sentiment is rising.
Has it really emboldened others though StreetPharmacist? Not to be difficult or argumentative but the Bundys call for like minded individuals to come join them at the reserve has, near as I can tell, fallen on deaf ears. I'm not disagreeing that militant groups do not exist or that their numbers are not rising, I just think that in this particular situation, no one really gives a ****.
You know you done goofed when even the oath keepers have decided you picked the wrong cross to die on.
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Has it really emboldened others though StreetPharmacist? Not to be difficult or argumentative but the Bundys call for like minded individuals to come join them at the reserve has, near as I can tell, fallen on deaf ears. I'm not disagreeing that militant groups do not exist or that their numbers are not rising, I just think that in this particular situation, no one really gives a ****.
You know you done goofed when even the oath keepers have decided you picked the wrong cross to die on.
I think them walking away unscathed will embolden the next group who decides to do it.
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I am starting to think that the best thing to do would be to send them in all the supplies that they need to comfortably survive out there. If they do try to come out then charge them with whatever the government can come up with. The longer they can be kept out of mainstream society, the better.
"My theory?" This is Bundy's and the militia's own words. From a source that is, shall we say "sympathetic" to the "conservative extremist militia militants" or "squatters." All 150 of them.
Gotcha. So someone on a terror watch list with intent to do harm to innocent civilians or public facilities is just a militant, until they kill someone. I'm glad we cleared that up.
I don't believe that thier actions "Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law; therefore not terrorists per FBI.
Intent to do harm to civilians would probably put them in the terrorist category for me. These people do not have that intent yet.
I think them walking away unscathed will embolden the next group who decides to do it.
I think the reverse.
That was one of the things that came out of the Waco and Ruby Ridge investigations; acting like 'tyrannical fascists' and invading otherwise peaceful compounds/situations increased the number of militias and what I would call 'radicalized patriots' in the US.
Dying at the hands of the government creates martyrs out of these guys. Waiting it out until they start to give up makes them into Jabronis.
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I think them walking away unscathed will embolden the next group who decides to do it.
I'm thinking your right on that point.
I do however get the feeling, from the admittedly little that I have read on this story, that some of these guys are looking at it like there is martyrdom to be had. One quote I read was from one guy at the reserve, and he said he came there not to shoot, but to die. Like good lord man.
Again I really, really hope that the situation is diffused, and after the fact they are charged for... Well whatever. No one seems to be joining their little revolution right now, but if the Feds decide to go and just kill em all... Well they may get what they want.
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