[PGT] The curse continues. Flames lose 5-3. Score flatters Flames.

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Deflating? Sure they were. Khudobins were terribad. But Boudreau also rectified that situation didn't he? Yes he did. And got the win.

Why such a staunch defense of Ramo every single time someone points out they don't like how he plays? He's more responsible than the D men. they're not paid to stop pucks, he is.

I've been more than fair with my thoughts on Ramo during his hot streak. But you got to call a spade a spade at some point. He's just not good enough. Consistent enough.

I agree 100% he is not good enough but of no fault of his own.

As my last post states, he is not a #1 goalie. Went through waivers without a team willing to take a flyer on him. So to say there is no way you can let that in, there is a way. He is a average goalie at best and the organization should be to blame for the 3 headed monster situation.

If we had a legitimate starting goalie letting those in I would be on board with everyone else but to blame a backup who lets in 1 soft goal but also makes a couple potential game saving saves doesnt seem fair to me.

[kehatch]

Silver lining? When we finally get around to firing Hartley we have a chance of getting a pick if another team hires him. There is that.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

A goalie is not "more responsible than the D men". A goalie is the last line of defence.

Think about that for a second. How can the goalie be less responsible as the last line of defense? How? If this were the case, why even have goalies at all with the fancy equipment?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Bouma will be back. But he also needed to be a whole lot better before he went down to injury as well. I hope he comes back raring to go, we need 2014 Bouma.

Byrons gone, hes moved on, so should we.

Yes, I understand both points. But it's valid. Something is 'off' this season. Not to say they're the answer, but both played pretty huge roles when they were on their game. Just a thought.

[Go_Flames4ever]

Originally Posted by Inferno

It doesn't matter who it's against. That goal should never ever go in. I wouldn't say it deflated the team at that point but it gave momentum to the Ducks they should have never had.

Yeah they had the momentum but he was also the only one that kept them in it in the second when the whole team was hemmed in and dominated.

The Flames did take the lead after the second for crying out loud. They really just forgot there was another period to play. Disastrous to start the third. Both goals were straight gifts from our awesome defensive coverage.

Wideman has been terrible. Raymond should not ever have a sniff of PP time. But the most disappointing thing this season for me has been Gio. Wideman has never been good defensively and his only value is offense, even though he hasn't done much of that either, but for Gio's play to drop this far off the chart is astounding. That contract is an anchor already before it even starts.

[DeluxeMoustache]

D men make or break the beloved sv% statistic

Hamilton does his job and impedes Rakell and there is no bar down goal that no goalie is stopping

[Karl]

Originally Posted by FlamesPuck12

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[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

I agree 100% he is not good enough but of no fault of his own.

As my last post states, he is not a #1 goalie. Went through waivers without a team willing to take a flyer on him. So to say there is no way you can let that in, there is a way. He is a average goalie at best and the organization should be to blame for the 3 headed monster situation.

If we had a legitimate starting goalie letting those in I would be on board with everyone else but to blame a backup who lets in 1 soft goal but also makes a couple potential game saving saves doesnt seem fair to me.

So stop blaming a bad goalie for letting in bad goals? Yes this is Hartleys and to a greater extent Trelivings mess. No question there, but Ramo (or whatever goalie the Flames have used this year) still sucks and still pisses fans off with bad goals. Of course people are going to lose it. It drives me nuts every time I see Ramo start.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Think about that for a second. How can the goalie be less responsible as the last line of defense? How? If this were the case, why even have goalies at all with the fancy equipment?

If defenceman have a perfect game, you don't need a goalie. I see you changed your wording to "last line of defence".

I agree Ramo isn't good enough, your original wording sounded like its 99 percent on the goalie. It isn't.

[Travis Munroe]

Depending on the value the Islanders place on Gio, do you trade Gio and a prospect for Hamonic and Halak?
Halak is not playing great in NY but a change of scenery and a revamped boost of confidence from the team in front could do wonders.

(I personally believe there is 0 chance Gio is traded but hypothetically, do you make that trade)

[Samonadreau]

Bad Goalies or Bad Defense.

Time to bring the thread back.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Bad Goalies or Bad Defense.

Time to bring the thread back.

They all suck, not much of a discussion. (Minus Brodie)

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

If defenceman have a perfect game, you don't need a goalie. I see you changed your wording to "last line of defence".

I agree Ramo isn't good enough, your original wording sounded like its 99 percent on the goalie. It isn't.

What? I haven't changed anything in my posts. And even if D men play perfect games, you still need a goalie. Pucks will always get through...always, I dont' think there has ever been a game of hockey where there has been 0 shots on goal. ever.

[ScorchyScorch]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

Depending on the value the Islanders place on Gio, do you trade Gio and a prospect for Hamonic and Halak?
Halak is not playing great in NY but a change of scenery and a revamped boost of confidence from the team in front could do wonders.

(I personally believe there is 0 chance Gio is traded but hypothetically, do you make that trade)

I think Gio's a great guy and professional, fan of him since he joined the team. But yes, I'd trade him for that package. Reason is purely to do with age. Hamonic doesn't have his ceiling, but Hamonic could be relied on to be good for a number of years yet. Gio is questionable in that regard.

Halak is a solid goalie and if our D hypothetically didn't throw him to the wolves then he'd be an upgrade for sure.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Darren Haynes ‏@DarrenWHaynes
Flames now rank last in NHL on the PK at 72.1%. I wonder if his penalty killing prowess could earn Bill Arnold a call-up. Change up the mix.

That is laughably bad. 72%?

[Jaydee]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

Depending on the value the Islanders place on Gio, do you trade Gio and a prospect for Hamonic and Halak?
Halak is not playing great in NY but a change of scenery and a revamped boost of confidence from the team in front could do wonders.

(I personally believe there is 0 chance Gio is traded but hypothetically, do you make that trade)

I would do that trade in a heartbeat.

[kehatch]

The PK is terrible because they deploy a terrible system. They give the opponent all the time and space they want while the box in and pray they block the shot or the goalie makes a save.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

They all suck, not much of a discussion. (Minus Brodie)

Hilarious.

Hamilton gets walked around. Rakell goes bar down. The CP goalie witch hunt actually includes people saying Ramo can't give away the top of the net like that

Then a 50 goal scorer snaps one 5 hole on a breakaway and it is stoppable? F sakes, goalies actually let in goals on breakaways, the shoot out has shown us that.

Much of CP has gotten frankly stupid about goaltending

[Stay Golden]

Hate to say it but Hartley has hit a wall with this team. They are not responding and what's worse is that there doesn't seem to be a distinct plan. They are disorganized for long stretches during games.
What worries me is this is a reletively young team that at times appears slow not because they are slow but because several players aren't digging in and showing hustle. Then it just eventually rubs off on the team.
They hustle for 1-2 games then back to lazy.
Very little forecheck and resort to lame poke checks by the D.
The coaching staff have failed to change this for any significant length of games.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

Depending on the value the Islanders place on Gio, do you trade Gio and a prospect for Hamonic and Halak?
Halak is not playing great in NY but a change of scenery and a revamped boost of confidence from the team in front could do wonders.

(I personally believe there is 0 chance Gio is traded but hypothetically, do you make that trade)

Yes. Even if Gio gets back to his old ways. I prefer the younger cheaper dman. Especially because he is more physical than Gio. Are blue line has not a single dman that is a punishing player to play against, and you can see it.