Police officer uses force to remove girl from classroom in South Carolina

[OMG!WTF!]

This cop's getting charged with assault for punching a kid who was swearing at him and trying to fight him in a hallway.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/29/us/okl...ficer-charged/

Seems about right.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Sliver

And where did this 'but if it was your kid, you'd think differently' crap come from? I've seen it on CP and everywhere else this is being discussed. This is exactly how I would expect myself or my kids to be treated if I/they were behaving like this.

Well then that makes you a chump.

[Schraderbrau]

The police officer should not have done what he did, but I think this is a bigger example of everything that's wrong with how we now raise our children. When I was that age I would never have attempted that, not because I was afraid of what would happen at school, I was afraid of what would happen at home. I wouldn't have been beaten or anything crazy but my social life would have been ended.

If people raise their kids right crap like this doesn't happen.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Schraderbrau

The police officer should not have done what he did, but I think this is a bigger example of everything that's wrong with how we now raise our children. When I was that age I would never have attempted that, not because I was afraid of what would happen at school, I was afraid of what would happen at home. I wouldn't have been beaten or anything crazy but my social life would have been ended.

If people raise their kids right crap like this doesn't happen.

A lot of these "when we were kids" stuff comes off as revisionist history to me. I'm sure there's a little merit to it, but when it comes to kids and being disruptive at school, there was crappy students that acted like asses since the beginning of time.

I was a kid in the 90's and we'd hear all the same stuff about how everything's gone to hell in school because of weak parenting and how back in their day kids would get strapped if they didn't comply.

Now twenty years later it's the 30's and 40's crowd that were kids in the 90's looking at stories today and saying "man, back when I was in school we'd never see stuff like this because kids had respect and didn't step out of line because parents and respect and police and get off my lawn!!!"

Kids are sh*tty, that has always and will continue to be the case until we're taken over by artificial intelligence.

[jayswin]

Not to mention all the methods of parenting/policing for punishments that older people tend to look back fondly on have pretty much all been proven to be anywhere from unsuccessful to criminal.

[adc]

Originally Posted by Schraderbrau

The police officer should not have done what he did, but I think this is a bigger example of everything that's wrong with how we now raise our children. When I was that age I would never have attempted that, not because I was afraid of what would happen at school, I was afraid of what would happen at home. I wouldn't have been beaten or anything crazy but my social life would have been ended.

If people raise their kids right crap like this doesn't happen.

I raise kids now and would be disgusted if my kid acted in the way this girl did.

I imagine this would have been an issue that people encountered in the past just like they do now despite the found nostalgia some people have of the "good old days."

[CliffFletcher]

All proven to be unsuccessful? So no happy, adjusted people were raised before 1990?

How about the great swathes of the planet where children are still raised in what modern North Americans would regard as an authoritarian, backwards fashion? Is Japanese culture the product of 'unsuccessful' parenting?

[Schraderbrau]

im gonna go against the popular vote these days and just say it. She was being a problem, clearly didn't want to listen to the authority as it was there to keep order, and got what people who don't listen to authority get. Welcome to life.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Schraderbrau

im gonna go against the popular vote these days and just say it. She was being a problem, clearly didn't want to listen to the authority as it was there to keep order, and got what people who don't listen to authority get. Welcome to life.

Except no one was absolving her, in fact most were saying she was acting like a piece of **** like kids often do. Condemnation of her and the police officer aren't mutually exclusive, and you seem to trying to insinuate that.

The police officer was way out of line and lost his job because it. But no one was arguing that the kid wasn't acting up.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

All proven to be unsuccessful? So no happy, adjusted people were raised before 1990?

How about the great swathes of the planet where children are still raised in what modern North Americans would regard as an authoritarian, backwards fashion? Is Japanese culture the product of 'unsuccessful' parenting?

Sorry CliffFletcher, I don't think that post came off the way I intended, poor wording I think.

I didn't mean to imply that all methods of parenting were terrible and unsuccessful back in the day, just that a lot of the methods of keeping kids in line like spanking, strapping, constant groundings have been found to lead to resentment and other issues that follow into adulthood that we never used to equate to "acceptable" physical and psychological punishment from back in the day.

Basically a child "staying in line" because he received spankings from his parents used to be viewed as proper and successful parenting skills, simply because the kid stayed in line......at the time. But then we starting finding out that physical punishment was often leading to psychological issues and heavy resentment later down the road.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by jayswin

A lot of these "when we were kids" stuff comes off as revisionist history to me. I'm sure there's a little merit to it, but when it comes to kids and being disruptive at school, there was crappy students that acted like asses since the beginning of time.

Is it, though? I remember grade school back in the 90's (cough, cough) and while there were folks who were acting up at the time, they'd often be sent out of the room. They would go either sit outside of the room, or off to the principles office without too much issue.

When I originally saw the video, I wondered if this was an isolated incident or something. A quick youtube search of "student attacks/fights/beats teacher" very quickly disabused me of that "this must be some sort of weird one-off situation" notion.

I recall from my days of school of being unhappy with several teachers, but I'd never have dreamed of laying a hand on any of them. Now youtube is full of vids of "kids" attacking teachers. I say "kids" because I am often amused that some folks "But s/he was just a KID!"...as if that excuses everything. One of the "kids" I saw in one of the vids was at least 6' and 250+. Not the sort of "kid" most folks would feel comfortable physically dealing with, and way more than a match for the 5'4", 120lb teacher he shoved to the ground repeatedly.

But maybe it's just me. Maybe it really is a "different time" now. I don't have kids. I don't know what kids are going through these days. Maybe it's just like most everything else...we hear more about it because better communication networks have been set into place which are much more accessible to more folks. Maybe teachers back in the '90's were being beaten left, right and center, and we just didn't know about it.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by adc

I raise kids now and would be disgusted if my kid acted in the way this girl did.

So she should be thrown on her head in violation of the police codes of conduct?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

Is it, though? I remember grade school back in the 90's (cough, cough) and while there were folks who were acting up at the time, they'd often be sent out of the room. They would go either sit outside of the room, or off to the principles office without too much issue.

When I originally saw the video, I wondered if this was an isolated incident or something. A quick youtube search of "student attacks/fights/beats teacher" very quickly disabused me of that "this must be some sort of weird one-off situation" notion.

I recall from my days of school of being unhappy with several teachers, but I'd never have dreamed of laying a hand on any of them. Now youtube is full of vids of "kids" attacking teachers. I say "kids" because I am often amused that some folks "But s/he was just a KID!"...as if that excuses everything. One of the "kids" I saw in one of the vids was at least 6' and 250+. Not the sort of "kid" most folks would feel comfortable physically dealing with, and way more than a match for the 5'4", 120lb teacher he shoved to the ground repeatedly.

But maybe it's just me. Maybe it really is a "different time" now. I don't have kids. I don't know what kids are going through these days. Maybe it's just like most everything else...we hear more about it because better communication networks have been set into place which are much more accessible to more folks. Maybe teachers back in the '90's were being beaten left, right and center, and we just didn't know about it.

You are correct that youtube wasn't full of thee videos back when youtube didn't exist, lol. That's the thing, we see every single that happens on the internet now, and the videos are even all connected by search query for your convenient viewing pleasure. Plus, that's incidents that happen literally anywhere where people have a phone, so......everywhere.

I had heard stories of kids doing terrible things and attacking students/teachers at our school and rival/near by schools from time to time. The difference being the stories were only as large as those who witnessed it and those who got told second hand.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by jayswin

You are correct that youtube wasn't full of thee videos back when youtube didn't exist, lol. That's the thing, we see every single that happens on the internet now, and the videos are even all connected by search query for your convenient viewing pleasure. Plus, that's incidents that happen literally anywhere where people have a phone, so......everywhere.

I had heard stories of kids doing terrible things and attacking students/teachers at our school and rival/near by schools from time to time. The difference being the stories were only as large as those who witnessed it and those who got told second hand.

So...as explained in my last paragraph, then?

I recall hearing about the very rare occasional thing too, when some student lost it on a teacher. But those were rare outliers, not common occurrences. It's easier to hear about and/or find them these days, yes...but they are happening (or seem to be, at any rate) at a much, much greater frequency. And who knows...maybe it's simply a product of a ratio between the ease of communication and the population increase.

But it FEELS like it's a much bigger thing these days than it used to be.

[adc]

Originally Posted by AcGold

So she should be thrown on her head in violation of the police codes of conduct?

What does that have to do with what I said?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

So...as explained in my last paragraph, then?

I recall hearing about the very rare occasional thing too, when some student lost it on a teacher. But those were rare outliers, not common occurrences. It's easier to hear about and/or find them these days, yes...but they are happening (or seem to be, at any rate) at a much, much greater frequency. And who knows...maybe it's simply a product of a ratio between the ease of communication and the population increase.

But it FEELS like it's a much bigger thing these days than it used to be.

Like all kinds of violence and incidents it likely is the reporting. Even with the amount you're seeing on youtube, that still represents non-common occurrences and outliers.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

So...as explained in my last paragraph, then?

I recall hearing about the very rare occasional thing too, when some student lost it on a teacher. But those were rare outliers, not common occurrences. It's easier to hear about and/or find them these days, yes...but they are happening (or seem to be, at any rate) at a much, much greater frequency. And who knows...maybe it's simply a product of a ratio between the ease of communication and the population increase.

But it FEELS like it's a much bigger thing these days than it used to be.

I honestly don't have a clue if this students attacking teachers is up, down, or exactly the same as it was 10, 20, or 50 years ago. It's irrelevant though, far as I'm concerned.

In this specific incident, the student wasn't attacking anybody. It doesn't matter if some 6', 250 pound kid beat up a teacher in another video. In this video an unarmed girl who wasn't a threat to anybody was choke-slammed in her desk and thrown across the room by a police officer.

What other kids do or don't do, what other teachers and cops do or don't do has no bearing on what happened here.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I honestly don't have a clue if this students attacking teachers is up, down, or exactly the same as it was 10, 20, or 50 years ago. It's irrelevant though, far as I'm concerned.

In this specific incident, the student wasn't attacking anybody. It doesn't matter if some 6', 250 pound kid beat up a teacher in another video. In this video an unarmed girl who wasn't a threat to anybody was choke-slammed in her desk and thrown across the room by a police officer.

What other kids do or don't do, what other teachers and cops do or don't do has no bearing on what happened here.

I wasn't discussing the original topic or post (as I don't know/can't express my thoughts on that accurately still).

I was discussing a tangential topic in the same thread.

[ernie]

538 did a piece on SROs in US schools.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/s...urce-officers/

The white sheriff’s deputy who grabbed a black student’s chair, flipped her over and dragged her across the floor on Monday at Spring Valley High School in Columbia, South Carolina, prompting an FBI civil rights investigation, worked as a school resource officer. SROs, law enforcement officers who are specially trained to work in schools, are a common sight in public schools, but their work is seldom scrutinized — and the Spring Valley High incident is focusing attention on the danger that their presence could have a disparate impact on black students. A 2008 study by the ACLU of SROs in three Connecticut towns found that black students were disproportionately likely to be arrested or reported to the police by an SRO.

cont'd

[taco.vidal]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2422191

Chrystal McCadden knew that her 7-year-old son, Caden, was diagnosed with ADHD and was sometimes hyper in class.

When she received a call on Oct. 12 to come pick up her son from Brownell STEM Academy, what she saw was not only a shock to her, it should be a shock to us all.

Caden, a tiny boy, was standing in the hallway alone, handcuffed, with his hands behind his back.