[PGT] Flames play only 10 minutes again, lose 3-1 to Jets

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Sorry.

He still let in a couple stinkers in that game. Team had no confidence after the 2nd bad goal. They never had a chance.

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Ya i agree with that for sure. One thing is for sure the goaltending hasnt been good enough. This whole three Goalie scenario needs to get dealt with. Also win and your in works if your winning. Just looks undesicive when you flip flopping back and forth. Need to give Ortio a chance

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Maybe, but Ramo has been awful

Which is still an improvement on "The Shooter Tutor," aka Jonas Hiller. Ramo has been victimized by some really bad luck this season. He's had four deflections off of players around the net that found their way into the goal. Yeah, he let in a bad goal to lose the game last night, but the reality is that he kept the Flames in the game and gave them a chance to win when they were really run out of the building for much of the night. If Hiller is in net, we don't get to the final two minutes of that game with a chance to win.

[Enoch Root]

I thought they played a pretty decent road game last night - not great, but they gave themselves a chance to get the win.

Ramo was really good for 58 minutes but that play was inexcusable - that was peewee goaltending.

But like Dammage said, I thought the most frustrating aspect of their game was the terrible passing in the offensive zone. They made several horrible drop passes that accomplish two things:

1) no possession time, and
2) odd man rushes the other way

It was killing them.

As for the season as a whole so far, I agree that they have had some bad puck luck against - at least 4 lucky deflections in 4 games. And offensively, they haven't been sharp enough with their passing.

Another big factor is the defense, which overall has been bad. Last year the D contributed 195 points. So far this year - 4 pts (82 pt pace).

Giordano is not in full Gio-mode yet, but last night was better. They obviously miss Brodie, and he and Gio better be re-united when he gets back. Hamilton is NOT Brodie and is not yet ready for the top pairing.

I am not ready to panic yet, but Ortio better be in net tonight.

[wooohooo]

Originally Posted by New Era

Which is still an improvement on "The Shooter Tutor," aka Jonas Hiller. Ramo has been victimized by some really bad luck this season. He's had four deflections off of players around the net that found their way into the goal. Yeah, he let in a bad goal to lose the game last night, but the reality is that he kept the Flames in the game and gave them a chance to win when they were really run out of the building for much of the night. If Hiller is in net, we don't get to the final two minutes of that game with a chance to win.

I'd pretty much say opposite of you. Hiller has been the better of two for sure. Doesn't matter how many great saves you make but you let in a stinker like that with less than 2 minutes, there's little way for your team to come back.

[flambers]

Thought the Flames played quite well (Considering Jets are big physical team), Ramo was looking strong. However that last goal is a brutal of stinker as a goalie can let in.

Simply a NHL starter can't let those in with 3 minutes to go in a game.....

[adc]

Originally Posted by New Era

Which is still an improvement on "The Shooter Tutor," aka Jonas Hiller. Ramo has been victimized by some really bad luck this season. He's had four deflections off of players around the net that found their way into the goal. Yeah, he let in a bad goal to lose the game last night, but the reality is that he kept the Flames in the game and gave them a chance to win when they were really run out of the building for much of the night. If Hiller is in net, we don't get to the final two minutes of that game with a chance to win.

How did he keep them in the game? What big saves did he make? His defensemen made bigger saves saving him from losing his net and putting rebounds right out to the middle of the ice.

As I mentioned in the game thread he wasn't that bad (outside of the awful GWG) but he wasn't challenged either and seemed to be lucky on a lot of plays in which he was out of position.

There always seems to be a reason for Ramo continually not being good enough. He is 29 now and not once looked like an NHL starter in his career. When do the excuses stop and the reality set in that he just isn't good enough?

[Benched]

the record is not as worrisome as the level of play. losses happen. but thus far i havent seen a team game that i think is playoff material. thats whats concerning.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Benched

the record is not as worrisome as the level of play. losses happen. but thus far i havent seen a team game that i think is playoff material. thats whats concerning.

Yup that's the scariest part. I haven't seen anything that inspires confidence that this team will be a playoff team this season. They look like I expected them to look last season.

Can't pin all our hopes on Gaudreau... God if he was hurt or we didn't have him right now we would be Oiler bad.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by wooohooo

I'd pretty much say opposite of you. Hiller has been the better of two for sure. Doesn't matter how many great saves you make but you let in a stinker like that with less than 2 minutes, there's little way for your team to come back.

Just look at their save percentages. Hiller has been awful.

That goal last night on Ramo stank though, it was on a fanned shot and wth was Gaudreau thinking not getting the puck deep with so little time left on the clock. Brutal turnover.

[Strange Brew]

I think the team will start playing better and will move back into a place similar to last year - playoff bubble team.

What I am not really in love with is how the team is constructed. For a rebuilding team, we have a ton of money tied up in bottom 6 forwards and bottom pairing defensemen. If the Flames want to make changes, which I hope they would over time, these guys are going to be hard to move.

Treliving gets a lot of praise here for the Glencross trade, Hamilton trade and the Brodie contract. But he owns a lot the juicy contracts (Burke too). We really have yet to see a trade where a player was moved off the roster other than deadline deals involving UFA's.

I really don't believe the Flames have any business being a cap team this year. That happened too quickly.

I don't mean to be all negative here. But as with the goalie situation, it's hard to see a clear plan. Now one smart move could really change that and I am convinced Treliving is extremely smart and hard working.

[polak]

Yeah we kinda seemed to go all in on this core pretty quickly now that you mention it.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I think the team will start playing better and will move back into a place similar to last year - playoff bubble team.

What I am not really in love with is how the team is constructed. For a rebuilding team, we have a ton of money tied up in bottom 6 forwards and bottom pairing defensemen. If the Flames want to make changes, which I hope they would over time, these guys are going to be hard to move.

Treliving gets a lot of praise here for the Glencross trade, Hamilton trade and the Brodie contract. But he owns a lot the juicy contracts (Burke too). We really have yet to see a trade where a player was moved off the roster other than deadline deals involving UFA's.

I really don't believe the Flames have any business being a cap team this year. That happened too quickly.

I don't mean to be all negative here. But as with the goalie situation, it's hard to see a clear plan. Now one smart move could really change that and I am convinced Treliving is extremely smart and hard working.

So which moves "this year" would you not do? Hamilton or Frolik? Ramo I can see, but perhaps better to have insurance for the position?

[adc]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I really don't believe the Flames have any business being a cap team this year. That happened too quickly.

Unless it prevents us from making moves, and it doesn't appear that it has or that it will, then what does it really matter if we are a cap team or not? As fans it isn't our money.

Most of the bad deals look like they will be gone when we will need the money in the upcoming years and the team has shown a willingness last year and this year to sit guys with decent contracts- Wideman, Raymond, Seto- if they aren't playing up to expectations.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by polak

Can't pin all our hopes on Gaudreau... God if he was hurt or we didn't have him right now we would be Oiler bad.

You might want to be careful with crazy talk like that around here (even though you're right). Some people are quite particular about posts that imply a team isn't very good outside of a few great players.

[AcGold]

Flames aren't that bad, they are playing textbook over pressured hockey. Chase too much, hold on too much in the offensive zone, bad penalties. This is not a bad team playing badly, it's a good team playing god awfully because of:

1. Unsettled goalie situation
2. Several injuries to big parts of the team.
3. New line combos for a lot of players.

It's not a surprise we've been playing like crap so far, they need to settle down and get back to basic hockey. They have the raw physical ability and more than enough talent to win they just gotta stop extending themselves when they shouldn't, it's very common for a team to feel like they're chasing all the time and when that happens mistakes start happening all the time. They need to relax and let the opponents start making some mistakes.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

If brodie wasnt injured I'm willing to bet we would have won at least one more game. He should be back in the next couple weeks unless he had a setback. If we can overcome an 8 game losing streak, this team can get through this.

[Strange Brew]

AC Gold I hope you're right but I am not convinced the three factors you mention are that significant. Every team has injuries and new line combos. Brodie's injury is significant but with the talent on D it should be overcome. The goalie situation is a mess but no excuse for how they are playing in front of whoever it is. They are just playing crappy but a 3 game win streak and all is forgiven.