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Old 03-08-2016, 11:32 AM   #161
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I'm not writing him off but people are right to have a healthy amount of skepticism.

What you asked to show is a difficult task without having a benchmark for “Significant career”. Using a three year window ranging from 07-08 through to 09-10 (In order to give them enough time to have cracked the NHL and established something of a career) the following players have had an insignificant career (followed in brackets by those that have had NHL careers)…

OHL: Justin Azevedo, Brett Maclean, Luca Caputi, Jack Combs, Michael Swift. (Has had a career and got 100+ points in his draft eligible +1/+2: Chris Terry)

WHL: Mark Santorelli, Casey Pierro-Zabotel, Brett Sonne, Brandon Kozun, Jordan Weal. (Has had a career and got 100+ points in his draft eligible +1/+2: Jordan Eberle)

QMJHL: Francis Pare, Cedric McNicoll, Yannick Riendeau, Dany Masse. (Has had a career and got 100+ points in his draft eligible +1/+2: Mathieu Perrault, Claude Giroux, Jakub Voracek).
Good post

Someone on another board posted this and I agree with it:
Mangiapane's projection-project comparables (based on Draft year 2013-2014 / Draft+1 2014-2015) statistically are not dime-a-dozen overagers. They're drafted players like Matthieu Perrault, Mike Cammalleri, Jason Zucker, Tobias Rieder, Bo Horvat, Sasha Barkov, Anthony Duclair, Antoine Vermette, and Pierre-Alexandre Parenteau. Statistically speaking he's got a 54% likelyhood of being an NHLer. I'll take those odds any day.

I like him because he's got a high motor though. I'm under no illusion that he'll be a big time scorer in the NHL, but he has enough speed, skill, intelligency and tenacity to make it as a 3rd liner. Tod Button compared him to Andrew Cogliano... I'd be very happy with that outcome.

I watch Travis Konecny and Mangiapane and do not see a big difference in the quality of play. Those who mention Byron are actually spot on. He has all the intensity and passion Byron had, just a better finisher.

My NHL projection would be somewhere in the middle of a Paul Byron and Tyler Ennis.
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Old 03-08-2016, 12:50 PM   #162
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Good post

Someone on another board posted this and I agree with it:
Mangiapane's projection-project comparables (based on Draft year 2013-2014 / Draft+1 2014-2015) statistically are not dime-a-dozen overagers. They're drafted players like Matthieu Perrault, Mike Cammalleri, Jason Zucker, Tobias Rieder, Bo Horvat, Sasha Barkov, Anthony Duclair, Antoine Vermette, and Pierre-Alexandre Parenteau. Statistically speaking he's got a 54% likelyhood of being an NHLer. I'll take those odds any day.

I like him because he's got a high motor though. I'm under no illusion that he'll be a big time scorer in the NHL, but he has enough speed, skill, intelligency and tenacity to make it as a 3rd liner. Tod Button compared him to Andrew Cogliano... I'd be very happy with that outcome.

I watch Travis Konecny and Mangiapane and do not see a big difference in the quality of play. Those who mention Byron are actually spot on. He has all the intensity and passion Byron had, just a better finisher.

My NHL projection would be somewhere in the middle of a Paul Byron and Tyler Ennis.
It also doesn't hurt that he's quite a bit bigger than both of those guys already at 19.
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Mangiapane and Andersson continue to rack up the points in a 8-1 rout over Owen Sound.

Mangiapane was named 1st star of the game. Andersson 2nd star.


Mangiapane is 6th in OHL scoring 2 points behind Dylan Strome (although Strome has played 3 less games)
1g 3a +3 6sog
54gp 47g 47a 94pts +34

Andersson jumps to 1st in OHL defencemen scoring
1g 1a +4 3sog
60gp 9g 50a 59pts +31
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Mangiapane and Andersson continue to rack up the points in a 8-1 rout over Owen Sound.

Mangiapane was named 1st star of the game. Andersson 2nd star.


Mangiapane
1g 3a +3 6sog
54gp 47g47a94pts +34

Andersson
1g 1a +4 3sog
60gp9g50a59pts +31
Okay. I'm done tempering my enthusiasm
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Old 03-09-2016, 08:17 PM   #165
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Being 6th in OHL scoring is pretty sweat for a 6th round pick who is still a 19 year old. Some interesting players that he's competing with:

- He's producing better and is younger than former 1st round pick Josh Ho Sang.
- He's producing better and is the same age as former early 1st rounder Dal Colle
- He's producing similarly to 3rd overall pick Dylan Strome
- He's producing better than first round pick Travis Konecny
- He's producing similarly to projected 1st round draftee Matthew Tkachuk

Based on his company, you would think Mangiapane was a first round pick
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Gonna be a good one... saw him in Pentiction .... Gonna be a good one
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Old 03-09-2016, 10:51 PM   #167
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I hope you guys are right. I'm trying not be as optimistic when it comes to prospects, so many of them fall flat on their faces for a myriad of reasons no matter how good they look in lesser leagues.

This kid does look good though, the key is attitude IMO. Baerstchi absolutely tore the CHL to pieces, but had the wrong attitude. He's now looking like he may actually end up a decent NHLer, but because of that attitude it'll unfortunately be for another org if it does happen.
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I hope you guys are right. I'm trying not be as optimistic when it comes to prospects, so many of them fall flat on their faces for a myriad of reasons no matter how good they look in lesser leagues.

This kid does look good though, the key is attitude IMO. Baerstchi absolutely tore the CHL to pieces, but had the wrong attitude. He's now looking like he may actually end up a decent NHLer, but because of that attitude it'll unfortunately be for another org if it does happen.
Agree with all your points, except the bolded. Baertschi leaving was best for the Flames, and for Baertschi/the Caucks. Flames look to have a solid 2nd round choice because of it, and Baertschi's brand of hockey can be utilized elsewhere, which fit's Vancouver's mold of attitude just fine (whether or not it comes to bite them in the ass later).

I call that a win-win-win.

Back on topic, it's hard to suppress the excitement when Mange seems to be hitting almost a 3-4 ppg pace in the last month. But I agree, it can be meaningless until we see him hit the pros.
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I just have orgasmic dreams of a scoring/energy/shutdown line of Mangiapane - Jankowski - Hathaway.

Is that a little too wishful thinking of me?
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I just have orgasmic dreams of a scoring/energy/shutdown line of Mangiapane - Jankowski - Hathaway.

Is that a little too wishful thinking of me?
I could see Mangiapane and Jankowski playing on a line next year in Stockton. That we be cool to see. Hathaway might be up in the big show next year, so maybe Poirier (Skill + Energy) or Smith (Size + Energy) could make sense on that line.
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Okay. I'm done tempering my enthusiasm
Honestly, yeah me too. Was trying to understand why he was totally passed over the first time and had to wait until round six the second time and I think I have some sort of justification.

The first time around, when he was 17 in 2013-2014 make sense. It was his first year in the OHL and only putting up okay numbers. 51 points in 68 games for an undersized player doesn't scream NHL player. He goes out destroys the previous seasons point totals, doubling them up in the same number of games. Second draft were teams still not convinced and maybe a little leery about such high numbers? Not big enough of a sample size - one season - to go on? Some scouting services had him going in the 4th round, flames get him in the 6th.

So I'd have to guess there was some risk involved, not knowing enough history at that level, wanting to see more in the OHL, if he could keep that scoring up etc. Andrew was one of three Barrie Colts to put up 100+ points last year etc.

This season Mangianpane is one of two Colts with high numbers, the other could have played in the AHL this year, 19 year old with a December birthdate, Kevin Labanc. Labanc is a Sharks draft pick who was just signed yesterday.

Anyways, some wild speculation on my part here, but I'm starting to come around to the guy because when you watched him you're always impressed. Obviously his first pro season will be interesting to watch but that's not a spellbounding notion.
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Mangiapane also looked really good in development camp which is a great sign. He was by far the flashiest player at camp.
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He definitely has some flash. Some have placed Mange in the "Gaudreau-esque" department, but his style of play isn't as cunning or as refined.

I would project him to be more of a Cam Atkinson type of player.
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People put Gaudreau in the Cam Atkinson category too. Just remember that.
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People put Gaudreau in the Cam Atkinson category too. Just remember that.
I don't think they do. At least not since he's hit the NHL. I've see them put him in the Patrick Kane and the Pavel Datsyuk categories on a regular basis.

Atkinson is far from as shifty as those other players listed, nor is as skilled. He's predominantly been a 40 point guy.
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I don't think they do. At least not since he's hit the NHL. I've see them put him in the Patrick Kane and the Pavel Datsyuk categories on a regular basis.

Atkinson is far from as shifty as those other players listed, nor is as skilled. He's predominantly been a 40 point guy.
He meant before Gaudreau made it. Obviously not now
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The Gaudreau/Atkinson comparison was very prevalent prior to his NHL debut.
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Mangiapane looks like a good skater with speed. For that reason I think he'll have a better chance than Baertchi. He doesn't have Baer's vision, but he has way better speed from what it looks like
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He also plays in every situation and is a solid 200ft player. He sees regular PK shifts and is a constant threat for SHGs.
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1 G 1 A and a +3 through 2 periods so far for Mangiapane as he moves closer and closer to that 50/100 mark...
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