Amber Alert: 2 Year Old Abducted Near Crows Nest Pass

[Minnie]

Deep down, there's a part of me that has some pretty strong feelings of bloodlust in terms of what should happen to the person that did this. Mostly I'm sad. But, I find processing what I'm reading in terms of the bloodlust, easier than the rank emotional vampirism I'm reading in most other places.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Im sorry, I don't think it's wrong to express raw emotion, I just meant it was jarring to me to see that side.

I hope the first line wasn't taken as judgement. This hits home for a lot of people.

Are you honestly that surprised? I'm not a capital punishment advocate, but the first thing I thought of when I heard the news of the child's death was that we should hang this man.

I try to fight those feelings, but I'm not shocked whatsoever that many are advocating for it. I think it's a natural response. It makes sense on many levels to kill him and rid society of him. Naturally, there are arguments for keeping him imprisoned as well.

I hope you aren't pretending to be holier than thou.

[nik-]

I'm against the death penalty, but I totally get why people would want it in this circumstance.

However, once the population finds out, this guy is going to have a pretty miserable existence in prison.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Are you honestly that surprised? I'm not a capital punishment advocate, but the first thing I thought of when I heard the news of the child's death was that we should hang this man.

I try to fight those feelings, but I'm not shocked whatsoever that many are advocating for it. I think it's a natural response. It makes sense on many levels to kill him and rid society of him. Naturally, there are arguments for keeping him imprisoned as well.

I hope you aren't pretending to be holier than thou.

Shocked was the wrong word, as it's being taken as "surprised". In the same way that death itself is jarring, calling for death and rape is jarring to me. I hope being shaken by that is excusable.

I've edited the line out to avoid further confusion.

[Galakanokis]

I know it is not the place to talk about this but one quick note on the death penality. I read an article on the family members of Clifford Olsen's victims. They basically stated that the man still being alive ruined their lives and prevented them from moving on. It was constant news, court fillings, always something that kept coming back at them. Once he passed many said it was the best night sleep they had since the incidents took place. The death penalty may not necessarily be about punishment. He's dead and gone, it might be easier for people to move on.

It is very sad news, I can never comprehend these things.

[peter12]

In regards to the death penalty, public sentiment says that it isn't a deterrent, while science says that it actually is quite an effective deterrent. For all of the people calling for vigilante justice in this thread, I would state that I personally prefer the calm proceedings of a court of law rather than a frenzied beat-down in the shower by a bunch of enraged prisoners.

[wwkayaker]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

The statistics, last I checked, indicate that capital punishment has no significant deterrent effect.

Without any tangible benefit, then I don't support state sanctioned killing.

I think there is a tangible benefit. I understand that capital punishment is expensive and has its faults, but in a pretty clear cut case like this I think death has its merits. When the world is overpopulated as it is now, why waste resources on this piece of crap? Money and resources are tangible...

[Ryan Coke]

Peter12, I would think its reversed. People think it acts as a deterrent, but science and data don't support it.

And wwkayaker, the problem is that is has been shown to cost more to put someone to death than to incarcerate them for life. If you cut down on due process it gets cheaper, but the risks of killing innocent people go up.

[transplant99]

They just interviewed the mother and she was saying the suspect and her were close friends but she hadn't spoke to him in 3 years.

This is just a heart breaking story and one that I agree should re-ignite death penalty discussions in certain cases. And I am a guy against the death penalty in general.

[nik-]

Why would it act as a deterrent? It's only a deterrent if the person about to commit the act possesses reason and rational thought and this act is so far from reasonable that it's incomprehensible. Someone who murders people, especially a child, isn't thinking "when I get caught, I'll do my 20-25 years and be out" and wouldn't commit the act if the thought is "when I get caught, I'll die, eventually after a drawn out appeals process"

Life in a box, probably segregated for his own safety. That's worse punishment imo.

Originally Posted by transplant99

They just interviewed the mother and she was saying the suspect and her were close friends but she hadn't spoke to him in 3 years. .

ugh, wtf? So this guy just shows up after three years to kill her ex-husband and daughter? That seems so odd.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by peter12

In regards to the death penalty, public sentiment says that it isn't a deterrent, while science says that it actually is quite an effective deterrent. For all of the people calling for vigilante justice in this thread, I would state that I personally prefer the calm proceedings of a court of law rather than a frenzied beat-down in the shower by a bunch of enraged prisoners

Yeah, I guess - but today the frenzied beat-down sounds pretty good to me.

[transplant99]

Derek James Saretzky, 22, has been charged with two counts of first-degree murder and one count of indignity to a body in connection with the deaths of Hailey Dunbar-Blanchette, 2, and her father, Terry Blanchette, 27, RCMP announced Wednesday

Does this mean what I think it does or is it more along the lines of dumping the little girls remains out in the open without regard?

[nik-]

If he stabbed the hell out of the guy, it might mean that too.

... as ####ed up as it sounds, hopefully it's just that

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Zach

Something I read online from someone who knows someone involved in the case.



But if it was an accident why am I reading it was 1st degree?

Doubtful anyone has that much detail at this point.

When police located Saretsky - with help from Hailey's mother, who is the girlfriend of Saretsky

that is completely false according to her...she said she hadn't spoken with the suspect in 3 years.

[wwkayaker]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

And wwkayaker, the problem is that is has been shown to cost more to put someone to death than to incarcerate them for life. If you cut down on due process it gets cheaper, but the risks of killing innocent people go up.

Yes, I agree on both points. Death penalty cases are extremely expensive but maybe they don't have to be in all situations. Innocent people do get executed. Sadly, the executioners also suffer terrible trauma. I wouldn't be able to execute anybody so I am a hypocrite. I just think some cases are black and white.

[nik-]

The indignity to a body charge against Saretzky relates to the child, but further details are not known.

ugh ... well scratch what I previously said I guess

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...rcmp-1.3230127

[SportsJunky]

I presume the indignity was burning the body.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Doubtful anyone has that much detail at this point.




that is completely false according to her...she said she hadn't spoken with the suspect in 3 years.

It might be speculative at this point, but him being the current boyfriend makes much more sense.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by nik-

ugh ... well scratch what I previously said I guess

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...rcmp-1.3230127

If what the person above says is true, it would relate to the burning of the body.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Zach

Something I read online from someone who knows someone involved in the case.



But if it was an accident why am I reading it was 1st degree? Very strange all around.

If it is committed during a kidnapping it's first degree.

(5) Irrespective of whether a murder is planned and deliberate on the part of any person, murder is first degree murder in respect of a person when the death is caused by that person while committing or attempting to commit an offence under one of the following sections:

• (a) section 76 (hijacking an aircraft);
  
• (b) section 271 (sexual assault);
  
• (c) section 272 (sexual assault with a weapon, threats to a third party or causing bodily harm);
  
• (d) section 273 (aggravated sexual assault);
  
• (e) section 279 (kidnapping and forcible confinement); or
  
• (f) section 279.1 (hostage taking).

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/a...ction-231.html