[News] CalgaryNEXT Announcement. New arena details emerge.

[BurningSteel]

Druh will find a reason to oppose. The new arena may have gleaming spots that would shine unfavourable light from time to time on precious sunnsyide.

Only way road upgrades will be approved is if all new lanes added are bike only.

Seriously though awesome news...hopefully ducks are in a row and the DP/BP process starts in the fall.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

Money talks, and if an ownership group like the Flames with a new stadium designed for MLS comes along, Calgary jumps to the top of the list pretty fast. MLS isn't actively seeking Canadian clubs, but would not refuse if the right arrangement came along. The ultimate build up for MLS is likely 32, just like the other American sport leagues. Minnesota for instance was just announced and are still three years out (2018). Hence a 10 year plan seems feasible.

Calgary is a small market in North America (Twin Cities twice as big):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._North_America

[hockey.modern]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Roger Millions @RogMillions
A source has suggested to me "CalgaryNext" if and when "vision" goes ahead could take up to 8 years to totally be completed. We will see

Many of you guys will first see this as very long time, but if you look at it, if it's going to take almost a decade to build this. We should expect something very ambitious and big going forward.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by getbak

It looks like the press conference will be at 2:30 on Tuesday:



So, all you unwashed "Tier 2" fans will be able to see it then.

Feels good cheering for an organization that actually cares about it's tier 2 or 3 fans.

Thanks KK

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Bunk

My prediction re: funding proposal:

$200m cash from owners for arena
$200m ticket tax over a period of time (backdropped by owners, not City)
$200m from City for Fieldhouse/Stadium (instead of $200m City has for Foothills Fieldhouse in its capital plan - note it is unfunded still)
$100m cash from owners for Fieldhouse/Stadium
$200m borrowed through CRL (like East Village) for remediation and infrastructure
$100m from Province and/or Feds for environmental remediation and infrastructure (helping facilitate but not paying for arena/stadium for things needed anyway regardless of those facilities)
Land given by City for "free"

Boom $1 billion give or take.

It kind of wouldn't surprise me if Hotchkiss and Seaman didn't leave a little something behind for a legacy project for the city.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Bunk

My prediction re: funding proposal:

$200m cash from owners for arena
$200m ticket tax over a period of time (backdropped by owners, not City)
$200m from City for Fieldhouse/Stadium (instead of $200m City has for Foothills Fieldhouse in its capital plan - note it is unfunded still)
$100m cash from owners for Fieldhouse/Stadium
$200m borrowed through CRL (like East Village) for remediation and infrastructure
$100m from Province and/or Feds for environmental remediation and infrastructure (helping facilitate but not paying for arena/stadium for things needed anyway regardless of those facilities)
Land given by City for "free"

Boom $1 billion give or take.

Yeah, that's about what I expect. Although, I've heard the environmental cleanup could reach $300 million, but I don't know the validity of that source.

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Roger Millions @RogMillions
A source has suggested to me "CalgaryNext" if and when "vision" goes ahead could take up to 8 years to totally be completed. We will see

At a STH session a year and a half ago, I asked King about the timeline, and he said that if they announced it tomorrow (that being a year and a half ago), it would still be five years before they were playing in the new building.

I assume this will be built in phases with the arena opening first and the other stuff following later, 8 years to full completion wouldn't surprise me.


I'm interested in seeing what the "Live" and "Work" aspects of Live|Work|Play will look like. Something similar to Maple Leaf Square in Toronto would be pretty cool.

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by Bunk

My prediction re: funding proposal:

$200m cash from owners for arena
$200m ticket tax over a period of time (backdropped by owners, not City)
$200m from City for Fieldhouse/Stadium (instead of $200m City has for Foothills Fieldhouse in its capital plan - note it is unfunded still)
$100m cash from owners for Fieldhouse/Stadium
$200m borrowed through CRL (like East Village) for remediation and infrastructure
$100m from Province and/or Feds for environmental remediation and infrastructure (helping facilitate but not paying for arena/stadium for things needed anyway regardless of those facilities)
Land given by City for "free"

Boom $1 billion give or take.

IMO this is going to be one of the biggest pieces of the entire puzzle. Interested to see how they swing this one.

[troutman]

8 years?

By way of comparison, the new QC arena was done in 3 years (hockey arena only):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videotron_Centre

[hockey.modern]

So with everything being said currently, it seems as though that they will be building a multi-sport stadium that will be able to accommodate different usages of sports. That's a very reasonable choice as we can only expect the Stampeders to play at home at least 10 times a year and it doesn't make sense that they have they're own stadium. Having the multi-sport field-house can accommodate many uses such as, concerts, soccer, etc. UNLV is proposing a stadium that I think will be similar to what Calgary is looking for. That stadium can house different sports/events and as well be used indoor/outdoor.



The new motto for the project is Live | Work | Play


That to me leaves me thinking that the total development for this arena will include buildings/hotel to accommodate the "LIVE"

"WORK" May be their to have some mixed use offices as well as a place where people work in the entertainment district.

"PLAY" of course means where we can expect the teams to play

I would love to see somthing like what they are doing in Orlando with the entertainment district and combine that with L.A Live. It may be ambitious but the buildings could be similar to what we see in Las Vegas CityCentre:

[CroFlames]

If it's anything like LA Live, I would be pretty darn happy.

[Addick]

Originally Posted by troutman

8 years?

By way of comparison, the new QC arena was done in 3 years (hockey arena only):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videotron_Centre

I'm thinking that it would be 8 Year for the complete build-out of the area and the arena would be built during one of the earlier phases.

In London, Arsenal received planning permission for their new ground in 2001, they broke ground in 2004, Emirates Stadium opened in 2006, the latest residential developments was completed in the last year and they were recently denied planning permission for the next residential tower.

[chalms04]

Originally Posted by Bunk

$200m cash from owners for arena
$200m ticket tax over a period of time
$200m from City for Fieldhouse/Stadium
$100m cash from owners for Fieldhouse/Stadium
$200m borrowed through CRL (like East Village) for remediation and infrastructure
$100m from Province and/or Feds for environmental remediation and infrastructure
Land given by City for "free"

Boom $1 billion give or take.

$300m in straight public cash is only 12 Peace Bridges.

Let's do this.

[Smartcar]

Originally Posted by getbak

I just noticed that the invite is for the primary account holder only. You can't even bring a guest.

Or even the co-account holder.

[snowdude]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Roger Millions @RogMillions
A source has suggested to me "CalgaryNext" if and when "vision" goes ahead could take up to 8 years to totally be completed. We will see

That's not completely crazy. In Ottawa it took just over 7 years for Lansdowne to work its way from concept to completing construction.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by troutman

8 years?

By way of comparison, the new QC arena was done in 3 years (hockey arena only):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videotron_Centre

It makes sense, really. Rumours have suggested multi-use complex. So, assume a year for remediation, two more for the arena, then the fieldhouse/stadium, and the offices and retail to end it.

[woob]

If they can fix Bow/Crowchild as part of this, I'm in. But that's probably wishful thinking.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by woob

If they can fix Bow/Crowchild as part of this, I'm in. But that's probably wishful thinking.

Sure, for another 2 billion.

[johnnybegaudreau]

Just throwing a guess out there, if this gets approived and gets started right away I'd say Flames first puck drop in new building would be 2020/2021 or 2021/2022 season.
Stamps probably by 2023.
Rest of everything else to be completed by 2025/26.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by johnnybegaudreau

Just throwing a guess out there, if this gets approived and gets started right away I'd say Flames first puck drop in new building would be 2020/2021 or 2021/2022 season.
Stamps probably by 2023.
Rest of everything else to be completed by 2025/26.

My over under for the Flames playing in the new arena is 21-22. I hope that's not overly optimistic.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by Bunk

My prediction re: funding proposal:

$200m cash from owners for arena
$200m ticket tax over a period of time (backdropped by owners, not City)
$200m from City for Fieldhouse/Stadium (instead of $200m City has for Foothills Fieldhouse in its capital plan - note it is unfunded still)
$100m cash from owners for Fieldhouse/Stadium
$200m borrowed through CRL (like East Village) for remediation and infrastructure
$100m from Province and/or Feds for environmental remediation and infrastructure (helping facilitate but not paying for arena/stadium for things needed anyway regardless of those facilities)
Land given by City for "free"

Boom $1 billion give or take.

I like this but no way the road improvements will be satisfied by $100M. Wasn't the crowchild study something like $1 billion itself in cost? I used to speculate that the feds might pickup more of the tab in this regard (particularly for the remediation piece) but their recent funding of the Green Line LRT makes me doubt there's extra cash for Calgary....