I dont get the complaining around here on this contract!
We got Jones Stajan Raymond and Backlund all getting paid atleast a million bucks more than Bouma. Bouma outscored them all last season, played 78 games, is physical, blocks a ton of shots, is a team leader, and roomates with Monahan.
If Bouma regresses this year its a fair contract. If he matchs last seasons numbers its a pure steal. If he improves on last seasons numbers Treliving is a God!
As for cap implications? Seriously some of you think this is the contract that screws us over next season? Hiller Ramo Jones and Hudler are ufas at the end of the season. Thats 16 million in cap space. Only guy I would like to keep is Hudler but we could survive without him if his demands are too high.
All of this is also assuming we make no trades. Trade Stajan and Wideman for picks thats 8 million more in cap space. If a team could do us a favor and take Raymond off our hands thats another 3 million.
We will be fine. Happy for Bouma and The Calgary Flames!
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Even if Bouma has three 10-goal 15-assist seasons I will be satisfied with this contract if he continues to lead the PK and play with the same attitude and determination and become a leader for the team.
In 2 years I see him as a 4th liner because I hope some combination of Klimchuk-Agostino-Ferland-Jankowski-Shore has pushed him down there. But a 4th line of say Bouma-Arnold-HSmith could be in the nightmares of every defensive 3rd pairing in the league. A classic championship team crash line with defensive skill and some offensive upside.
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A 4th-liner who is a team leader, one of your top penalty killers, and can move up the lineup to fill in for injuries? Definitely worth 2m, and 2.2 is not a stretch.
What I really don't understand is how a few people seem to think he's worth 2m but are getting bent out of shape over the other $200,000. In the NHL nowadays, that's the kind of money you find under your sofa cushions – less than 0.3% of the cap. There are several easy ways to recoup that money elsewhere once the cap becomes a problem.
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He's worth every penny. To win a championship players like Bouma are required not additional pieces. He blocks more shots than our goaltenders, his effort and dedication is relentless and I'm sure contagious. What Yelle was to the 2004 team Bouma is to this one.
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He's worth every penny. To win a championship players like Bouma are required not additional pieces. He blocks more shots than our goaltenders, his effort and dedication is relentless and I'm sure contagious. What Yelle was to the 2004 team Bouma is to this one.
A 4th-liner who is a team leader, one of your top penalty killers, and can move up the lineup to fill in for injuries? Definitely worth 2m, and 2.2 is not a stretch.
What I really don't understand is how a few people seem to think he's worth 2m but are getting bent out of shape over the other $200,000. In the NHL nowadays, that's the kind of money you find under your sofa cushions – less than 0.3% of the cap. There are several easy ways to recoup that money elsewhere once the cap becomes a problem.
I see where people get that attitude though, as they see cap teams get into trouble over bottom six salaries. 200k more on one more is pocket change, yes, but if you're a contending team in 4 years and all of a sudden you're counting pennies towards the cap and are in danger of losing a top 6 winger to free agency you may look at your bottom six signings over the past four years and go;
200k, 200k and 500k over payment on the 4th line
300, 700k and 200k over payment on the 3rd line
And all of a sudden that 1mil+ in little individual overpayments might be the difference between fitting that major piece in your cap structure and losing him for nothing and then having to overpay a lesser player on the FA market to replace him.
I personally love Bouma, so I'm not really arguing that he isn't worth 2.2 mil, but just offering why I think fans tend to watch the overpayments and not like them, even if they're only slight.
The NHL keeps proving that to win cups you need to pay to keep a contending top 6 together and to do this you need to severely pinch pennies on your bottom six or your bottom six quickly pushes a star/excellent player out of your top 6 and onto another team.
I see where people get that attitude though, as they see cap teams get into trouble over bottom six salaries. 200k more on one more is pocket change, yes, but if you're a contending team in 4 years and all of a sudden you're counting pennies towards the cap and are in danger of losing a top 6 winger to free agency you may look at your bottom six signings over the past four years and go;
200k, 200k and 500k over payment on the 4th line
300, 700k and 200k over payment on the 3rd line
And all of a sudden that 1mil+ in little individual overpayments might be the difference between fitting that major piece in your cap structure and losing him for nothing and then having to overpay a lesser player on the FA market to replace him.
I personally love Bouma, so I'm not really arguing that he isn't worth 2.2 mil, but just offering why I think fans tend to watch the overpayments and not like them, even if they're only slight.
The NHL keeps proving that to win cups you need to pay to keep a contending top 6 together and to do this you need to severely pinch pennies on your bottom six or your bottom six quickly pushes a star/excellent player out of your top 6 and onto another team.
Ya but this 200k overpayment is questionable at best. It's basically assuming he regresses next year. A heart and soul player like Bouma will earn his pay check one way or another. The contracts that kill you are the huge over payments on long term deals. The big boat anchor contracts are killing teams not the fair short term deals for a couple million.
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I see where people get that attitude though, as they see cap teams get into trouble over bottom six salaries. 200k more on one more is pocket change, yes, but if you're a contending team in 4 years and all of a sudden you're counting pennies towards the cap and are in danger of losing a top 6 winger to free agency you may look at your bottom six signings over the past four years and go;
200k, 200k and 500k over payment on the 4th line
300, 700k and 200k over payment on the 3rd line
And all of a sudden that 1mil+ in little individual overpayments might be the difference between fitting that major piece in your cap structure and losing him for nothing and then having to overpay a lesser player on the FA market to replace him.
I personally love Bouma, so I'm not really arguing that he isn't worth 2.2 mil, but just offering why I think fans tend to watch the overpayments and not like them, even if they're only slight.
The NHL keeps proving that to win cups you need to pay to keep a contending top 6 together and to do this you need to severely pinch pennies on your bottom six or your bottom six quickly pushes a star/excellent player out of your top 6 and onto another team.
At 2.2 though, even if you start to suffer a crunch and have to replace him with a cheaper player - he is a movable contract.
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Ya but this 200k overpayment is questionable at best. It's basically assuming he regresses next year. A heart and soul player like Bouma will earn his pay check one way or another. The contracts that kill you are the huge over payments on long term deals. The big boat anchor contracts are killing teams not the fair short term deals for a couple million.
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At 2.2 though, even if you start to suffer a crunch and have to replace him with a cheaper player - he is a movable contract.
Sorry guys, should have been a little more clear, I was just responding in generality to JayRandom questioning why fans get bent out of shape over little overpayments, I wasn't speaking to Bouma. We're on the same page there.
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I was hoping he'd be somewhere around 1.8 per, but I won't cry about 2.2. If we do end up getting saddled with big contracts in the coming years, Bouma at 2.2 is pretty movable, barring a total collapse.
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