Donald Trump ... You're Fired !!!!!!

[HockeyIlliterate]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Withdraw his name? Well for the GOP's sake he should, but he isn't going to be welcome to run for the GOP at all (based off the responses he already isn't). He's going to be disqualified from running for them soon enough. But rather than go quiet, he's gonna go third party and keep this crazy train rolling. Which is good for us, and utter doom for the Republicans as he's guaranteed to steal 20% of the vote and make it easy for Hillary.

Disagree.

Trump has hit a nerve with people---whether they are Republican, Democrat, or Independent.

People are tired of their elected leaders only serving their own interests, enriching themselves at the expense of the electorate, and furthering the interests of the wealthy and the powerful, and Trump is essentially calling the leaders out on their past actions and inability to do anything productive for America.

Case in point: McCain has done very little for veterans, and Trump is highlighting that. McCain's buddies have gone crazy with the revelation and the manner in which Trump has made it, but they aren't denying the underlying substance of the claim.

It won't be long until Trump turns on Hillary as well, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of Hillary's supporters wake up and realize that a vote for Hillary is a vote for the status-quo, and that the status-quo isn't working.

I--like most people, I presume--don't like everything that Trump says.

But I---like most people, I presume--do like and agree with some of it.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Oh come on, with that username you're just making it way too easy.

In seriousness, I think you're wrong. Candidates like Trump are great get-out-the-vote machines for his opponent because even if they're not wild about Hillary (many democrats aren't), they're PETRIFIED at the notion that someone like that could take office. It would be a landslide, I have no doubt.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Oh come on, with that username you're just making it way too easy.

In seriousness, I think you're wrong. Candidates like Trump are great get-out-the-vote machines for his opponent because even if they're not wild about Hillary (many democrats aren't), they're PETRIFIED at the notion that someone like that could take office. It would be a landslide, I have no doubt.

I think that you are more or less right here. People like Trump during the early period, when a lot of ideas, crazy or not, get thrown around. During an election, he is meat.

Sort of like Barry Goldwater.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

Disagree.

Trump has hit a nerve with people---whether they are Republican, Democrat, or Independent.

People are tired of their elected leaders only serving their own interests, enriching themselves at the expense of the electorate, and furthering the interests of the wealthy and the powerful, and Trump is essentially calling the leaders out on their past actions and inability to do anything productive for America.

Case in point: McCain has done very little for veterans, and Trump is highlighting that. McCain's buddies have gone crazy with the revelation and the manner in which Trump has made it, but they aren't denying the underlying substance of the claim.

It won't be long until Trump turns on Hillary as well, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of Hillary's supporters wake up and realize that a vote for Hillary is a vote for the status-quo, and that the status-quo isn't working.

I--like most people, I presume--don't like everything that Trump says.

But I---like most people, I presume--do like and agree with some of it.

I doubt you see any real number of liberals shift to Trump, and not very many independents or fence sitters.

Sure he's attacking the status quo, but he's got no plans of his own. The few plans he has gone on about shows he knows nothing about NAFTA, free trade, foreign policy, being commander in chief, immigration, crime, politics, heck even his business acumen looks bad. And that's supposed to be his strength. He's just throwing crap out there and seeing what sticks. Nothing that he has said is backed up by facts at all, except for some of the attacks. But nothing in his plans or rants against the system is based in fact.

Furthermore, his alienation of ethnic groups and using copious amounts of general right wing hate speech, plays right into the liberals and independents hands. I mean, look what happened to Romney. Republicans can only win if they town DOWN the rhetoric, not up. Now, I might agree with you if some of the things he said weren't so bat crap crazy, and full of hate, cause yeah, people do like candidates who shake things up, and the US probably needs that even more right now. But he is FAR too inflammatory for a significant number of independents to get excited about. He is the example of the angry entitled white man who has no idea why they are angry and no knowledge of how their country or the world works.

Him winning the Republican candidacy is great for the Democrats. Him going third party is even better.

Though maybe that will be good for the Republican Party in general. How many times can they shoot themselves in the foot before they figure out they gotta change their policies and rhetoric? Get some of the crazy our of their party.

I do think he's going to flame out eventually though. The debates can't possibly do him any favors. He'll look like Rick Perry did last time.

Or, maybe not. Might be closer now that I think it over a bit. Guess we'll see.

[HockeyIlliterate]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Oh come on, with that username you're just making it way too easy.

In seriousness, I think you're wrong. Candidates like Trump are great get-out-the-vote machines for his opponent because even if they're not wild about Hillary (many democrats aren't), they're PETRIFIED at the notion that someone like that could take office. It would be a landslide, I have no doubt.

I'm not particularly worried.

Even if Trump were to get elected President, he's still got to convince (in most cases) 218 in the House and 51 people in the Senate to see things his way to get anything done. Which I suspect won't happen very often, and, in any event, and in most cases, gridlock is good for America.

Besides, even with Trump as President, what would really change? He's not going to start throwing nuclear warheads at Russia, he's not going to build a 50 foot high fence on the Mexican border, and he's not going to repeal the US tax code. At best, he'd make breast implants and face lifts a covered procedure under Medicare (if they aren't already) and create TrumpTV as a competitor to C-SPAN.

And then, in 4 years, he'd probably be kicked out and replaced with someone who would claim that he (or she) could get things done. Even though, in reality, nothing would change.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

The other point is that poll numbers at this stage will always overestimate the popularity of guys with name recognition because that's really what people are responding to - they know who he is. He has a TV show. They may not know who Scott Walker or Marco Rubio are. They don't know what any of them stand for.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

Disagree.

Trump has hit a nerve with people---whether they are Republican, Democrat, or Independent.

People are tired of their elected leaders only serving their own interests, enriching themselves at the expense of the electorate, and furthering the interests of the wealthy and the powerful, and Trump is essentially calling the leaders out on their past actions and inability to do anything productive for America.

Case in point: McCain has done very little for veterans, and Trump is highlighting that. McCain's buddies have gone crazy with the revelation and the manner in which Trump has made it, but they aren't denying the underlying substance of the claim.

It won't be long until Trump turns on Hillary as well, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of Hillary's supporters wake up and realize that a vote for Hillary is a vote for the status-quo, and that the status-quo isn't working.

I--like most people, I presume--don't like everything that Trump says.

But I---like most people, I presume--do like and agree with some of it.

Trump has hit a nerve with Republican voters, who if you didn't already know are pissed off 24/7/365 to begin with. He's just been the most outlandish in trying to represent them. But he still will not poll above 25% in a general. Remember if Sarah Palin were in this race, she might be at 25% herself, at worst she'd be locked into the top 3 spots. This is more of representation of why the GOP has lost 6 Presidential elections in a row (yes, I'm calling 2000 stolen): Play to the base to get the nomination is how you lose the general.

It's the nomination process, not the general election. Never mind that he has to win the electoral college and not just dominate the Bible Belt states in popular vote. He is guaranteed to lose New York, California, Illinois, Pennsylvania and Ohio. Right there the GOP doesn't have the math to 271. It's a fun, hilarious debacle of a story right now, but remember there's undoubtedly skeletons in the Donald's closet (and hairpieces of course), and we still haven't gotten to those yet. He's basically hoping the electorate will be pissed off for the next 15 months, and that he doesn't implode in that time.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

This is more of representation of why the GOP has lost 6 Presidential elections in a row (yes, I'm calling 2000 stolen)

What about 2004??

Anyway the additional point that it's not just Republican voters voting in these polls, it's a specific type of republican voter...

[HockeyIlliterate]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Sure he's attacking the status quo, but he's got no plans of his own. The few plans he has gone on about shows he knows nothing about NAFTA, free trade, foreign policy, being commander in chief, immigration, crime, politics, heck even his business acumen looks bad. And that's supposed to be his strength. He's just throwing crap out there and seeing what sticks. Nothing that he has said is backed up by facts at all, except for some of the attacks. But nothing in his plans or rants against the system is based in fact.

I don't doubt that, but what policies or plans do his competitors have?

Hillary is all about the flavor-of-the-week.

Bush is all about "I'm not my brother."

Huckabee is all about "Christian indoctrination with a smile."

Paul is all about "Reduce the government just enough that I get to stay in it."

I could go on, but other than perhaps Sanders, none of his opponents have any real convictions or solid policy suggestions either. They flip, they flop, they backtrack, they attack, they see what polls well, they see what sticks, and then they say whatever they think they have to say to get and stay elected.

Trump isn't unique in this regard, but he's refreshing in his "I just don't care" attitude.

Originally Posted by Daradon

He is the example of the angry entitled white man who has no idea why they are angry and no knowledge of how their country or the world works.

No doubt.

But look at the electoral map. If he gets the swing states--and predominately the "rust belt" states where workers feel particularly disaffected by free trade and stagnating wages--he could realistically beat any Democrat, even with their electoral advantage of California, New York, and so on.

After all, angry white guys vote too.

[HockeyIlliterate]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

He is guaranteed to lose New York, California, Illinois, Pennsylvania and Ohio.

New York and California, yes.

Illinois, maybe, but probably.

Pennsylvania and Ohio are up for grabs, and he can win them.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

I don't doubt that, but what policies or plans do his competitors have?

Hillary is all about the flavor-of-the-week.

Bush is all about "I'm not my brother."

Huckabee is all about "Christian indoctrination with a smile."

Paul is all about "Reduce the government just enough that I get to stay in it."

I could go on, but other than perhaps Sanders, none of his opponents have any real convictions or solid policy suggestions either. They flip, they flop, they backtrack, they attack, they see what polls well, they see what sticks, and then they say whatever they think they have to say to get and stay elected.

Trump isn't unique in this regard, but he's refreshing in his "I just don't care" attitude.



No doubt.

But look at the electoral map. If he gets the swing states--and predominately the "rust belt" states where workers feel particularly disaffected by free trade and stagnating wages--he could realistically beat any Democrat, even with their electoral advantage of California, New York, and so on.

After all, angry white guys vote too.

Well that last part is very true. In fact, they have amongst the highest voter turn out.

I just don't think you can win appealing to only that demographic. As much as I like to complain about that demo, it ain't THAT big. Especially when your alienating evrryone who isn't them.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

New York and California, yes.

Illinois, maybe, but probably.

Pennsylvania and Ohio are up for grabs, and he can win them.

Illinois hasn't voted Republican in 30 years so a circus clown isn't becoming the one to break through. Pennsylvania is a solid Democrat state now so it's gonna take a good candidate to win there (so again, no for Donald). Ohio might actually be a toss up, but then so is Florida and it's more votes and Hillary likely has a better chance than Donald to win Florida. So at best lets say he wins one of them. That still leaves him in virtually no position to win the electoral college.

Oh yeah, how irrelevant are these poll numbers right now? Totally...

July 27-30 2007 national poll:

Giuliani 33%
Thompson 20%
McCain 17%
Romney 11%
Paul/Thompson/Brownback 2%
Huckabee/Hunter/Tancredo 1%

[T@T]

It's beyond me why anyone would want Hillary Clinton as president, what has she done politically to deserve even a sniff?

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by T@T

It's beyond me why anyone would want Hillary Clinton as president, what has she done politically to deserve even a sniff?

Well she seems to be forgiving. So there's that.

[Quincy Egg]

Donald Trump has got Liberals worried, that much is for sure.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

Donald Trump has got Liberals worried, that much is for sure.

Mikey?

[Senator Clay Davis]

I think the only thing people are worried about Donald right now is that it's going to end too soon and it's just gonna be boring ass Scott Walker debating boring ass Ben Carson while we ponder what could have been with Trump involved.

[Antithesis]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

Donald Trump has got Liberals worried, that much is for sure.

Worried? He's a comedic sideshow. I can't imagine a so-called major party actually nominates him.

[Coach]

The only thing that worries me about a Trump nomination is that Stewart and Colbert won't be around to make a fool out of him (moreso than he's done himself).

[combustiblefuel]

I think I found a Photo of Quincy Egg.