[News] UPD: City of Glendale to vote on new arena agreement with Coyotes

[DoubleK]

I was in Vegas last week and the rink looked to be about a year away from completion.

[CroFlames]

I know some people disagree, but I'd move the team to Orleans Arena in Vegas until the new Vegas rink is done.

You can always strike some deal with the STHs who paid a deposit but can't get tickets due to capacity in the smaller arena.

PS: I think it's less than a year away. They build stuff fast in Vegas.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

So some fishy business going on eh? Just move this team already holy. How thorough of an audit do you need, when the entire world can see (without an audit) that the team is hemorrhaging money.

I would assume to void a legally binding contract it would have to be a pretty thorough audit

[Vulcan]

It sounds to me like the Coyotes want money to break the lease, LOL. I don't think they'll go to Vegas because there is already an owner in place to pay the big expansion fee. The Coyotes will move and pay the transfer fee, maybe Portland? If Portland that will put Seattle's nose out of joint and maybe get their council on board with the new arena.
The owners have to think of what's the most money they can rake in.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Vegas isn't, but they are pegged for expansion anyway.

Seattle isn't ready either. No chance the league goes there without a new arena deal in hand. Quebec is tough because of geographical alignment. But that could be fixed in a year or two when the Panthers relocate. Just send them west.

Move back into Phoenix proper? Seems unlikely without political will to build a new arena.

Portland is an option. Kansas City. Milwaukee. Houston.

Or for maximum irony, Hamilton.

Yeah, I'm thinking they go to Quebec to get them to a city and owner who's ready to take them on. Then they don't even worry about divisional alignment until they're ready to worry about it, like they did with the Jets.

Basically "Hey Quebec, we're ready for you to own a team, you get them right away, but they'll be in X division until we're ready for re-alignment, you good?" "Yep, we'll take it!".

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I know some people disagree, but I'd move the team to Orleans Arena in Vegas until the new Vegas rink is done.

That is not happening, full stop. Vegas will be an expansion market.

[sureLoss]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/c...terrible-time/

According to several reports, council is trying to void the deal on an Arizona statute indicating it “may, within three years after its execution, cancel any contract, without penalty or further obligation … if any person significantly involved in initiating, negotiating, securing, drafting or creating the contract … is, at any time while the contract or any extension of the contract is in effect, an employee or agent of any other party to the contract in any capacity … with respect to the subject matter of the contract.”

That would indicate the dispute involves Craig Tindall, who resigned as Glendale’s city attorney in February 2013, although there are reports he was kept on retainer until September. According to this Arizona Republic story, Tindall joined the Coyotes as general counsel in August. Lease negotiations began in May.

Maybe — and this is purely a guess — Glendale’s politicians are going to think this overlap led to a conflict. Who knows?

[Resolute 14]

interesting that that reasoning is different than the argument that was made in the TSN story that started this thread. Seems that someone in the city council is taking a scattershot approach to getting out of the contract and hoping something hits.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

It's ridiculous because trust me, whether you want to or not: It's not hockey in the desert that is the problem. It's Hockey in Glendale that is the problem, it's horribly located (yes, I admit it... I live in the East Valley) and Glendale is a piece of garbage city.

Who the hell knows anymore.. If the team goes, I hope it's to Vegas.

Why was the new arena put in Glendale in the first place? Was it an effort to build an entertainment district in the middle of no-where to spur growth? In my mind, it makes sense to have NBA and NHL teams share one first-class facility rather than segregating them in this way.

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Why was the new arena put in Glendale in the first place? Was it an effort to build an entertainment district in the middle of no-where to spur growth? In my mind, it makes sense to have NBA and NHL teams share one first-class facility rather than segregating them in this way.

I was in Calgary during it's construction process but followed it closely. It should've been built near Los Arcos mall in Scottsdale which would've been perfect. Their city council didn't approve it.

What you said above is basically it in a nutshell.

[Envitro]

So if this whole agreement is in fact revoked I could see the Coyotes playing out of U.S. Airways arena again as a temporary solution until the team is moved to Quebec in a year or two.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Envitro

So if this whole agreement is in fact revoked I could see the Coyotes playing out of U.S. Airways arena again as a temporary solution until the team is moved to Quebec in a year or two.

I doubt very much the franchise goes to Quebec as it would screw up the recently made re-alignment and none of the teams moved to the East will move back. It looks like the only way Quebec gets a team in the near future is by one of the Eastern franchises re-locating.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Why was the new arena put in Glendale in the first place? Was it an effort to build an entertainment district in the middle of no-where to spur growth? In my mind, it makes sense to have NBA and NHL teams share one first-class facility rather than segregating them in this way.

One of the principal owners of the Coyotes at the time was a land developer and convinced Glendale that a massive sporting and shopping complex would be a guaranteed winner.

Oops.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

I was in Calgary during it's construction process but followed it closely. It should've been built near Los Arcos mall in Scottsdale which would've been perfect. Their city council didn't approve it.

What you said above is basically it in a nutshell.

Yep, they did this on themselves. Why they built it in Glendale is beyond me.

[GreenLantern2814]

Can Glendale still not afford to pay their fire department? If so, please relocate them. Everyone's paranoid about concussion lawsuits, imagine how it looks if someone literally dies in a fire because Phoenix HAD to have a hockey team.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Can Glendale still not afford to pay their fire department? If so, please relocate them. Everyone's paranoid about concussion lawsuits, imagine how it looks if someone literally dies in a fire because Phoenix HAD to have a hockey team.

How on earth do concussion lawsuits against the NHL relate to someone dying in a hypothetical fire in Glendale because of the city council's mismanagement?

With or without a team, the arena is a black hole for the city. Moving the Coyotes won't change that.

[Locke]

Hockey in Glendale!

I think I've found photos of their Mayor!



And the Glendale logo:



And the City's official Slogans:

"We were so preoccupied with whether we could that we didnt stop to think if we should."

And:

"Hockey in Glendale is the worst idea in the long, sad history of bad ideas."

[sureLoss]

So it sounds like Glendale is threatening to void the lease agreement so they can renegotiate it.

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
1) City of Glendale statement: Discussions and negotiations regarding the contract have been ongoing for months...

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
2) The City is open to a resolution but it must be one that provides certainty and fairness to both parties, especially the taxpayers.

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
3) The Council has agreed to stand for transparency and the highest standards of ethics for any future agreement with the Coyotes.”

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Clearly, the city wants to renegotiate the 15-year lease with the team. To quote one of my favourites (@adbrandt): "There will be lawyers."

[Locke]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

So it sounds like Glendale is threatening to void the lease agreement so they can renegotiate it.

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
1) City of Glendale statement: Discussions and negotiations regarding the contract have been ongoing for months...

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
2) The City is open to a resolution but it must be one that provides certainty and fairness to both parties, especially the taxpayers.

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
3) The Council has agreed to stand for transparency and the highest standards of ethics for any future agreement with the Coyotes.”

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Clearly, the city wants to renegotiate the 15-year lease with the team. To quote one of my favourites (@adbrandt): "There will be lawyers."

So what? I dont think you can just cancel and renegotiate a contract without the consent of both parties.

What they want and what they can legally do are apparently mutually exclusive in this case.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Locke

So what? I dont think you can just cancel and renegotiate a contract without the consent of both parties.

What they want and what they can legally do are apparently mutually exclusive in this case.

They appear to have found a legal loophole to cancel the agreement. They are trying to force the Coyotes to renegotiate or they will cancel it.