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Old 05-24-2015, 01:14 PM   #161
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Hiller simply isn't a flashy guy. He plays positionally sound and puts up solid numbers. He doesn't usually need to make the spectacular variety saves because he's usually in position unlike Ramo who is all over the place. Hiller has his moments where he's not mentally sharp which leads to the odd ugly game. Ramo in comparison is all over the map as he can be spectacular or overcommitting and giving teams wide open nets to score on. I do think as a player you would feel more comfortable with a guy like Hiller in net that is more predictable. I simply don't see the need to sign Ramo as it's just a status quo signing and if the Flames sign/trade for a goaltender he should be an improvement or may as well manage your assets and salary structure and go with Hiller/Ortio.

As for Ward I'm okay with the team taking a flyer on him but I wouldn't give up much in return if anything as it's debatable if he's even an upgrade on Hiller.
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Old 05-24-2015, 01:15 PM   #162
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Hiller has a NHL career .917 SV% with a 2.49 GAA.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8473972

It seems you confused Hiller's stats with Ramo's.

I'm not that enthused with Hiller as our #1 goalie but he does have good stats, so I can see him being retained over Ramo. On the other hand Ramo has improved every year in the NHL and is younger.
Well Hiller has a contract with the Flames and Ramo is a free agent
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Old 05-24-2015, 01:23 PM   #163
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Hiller simply isn't a flashy guy. He plays positionally sound and puts up solid numbers. He doesn't usually need to make the spectacular variety saves because he's usually in position unlike Ramo who is all over the place. Hiller has his moments where he's not mentally sharp which leads to the odd ugly game. Ramo in comparison is all over the map as he can be spectacular or overcommitting and giving teams wide open nets to score on. I do think as a player you would feel more comfortable with a guy like Hiller in net that is more predictable. I simply don't see the need to sign Ramo as it's just a status quo signing and if the Flames sign/trade for a goaltender he should be an improvement or may as well manage your assets and salary structure and go with Hiller/Ortio.

As for Ward I'm okay with the team taking a flyer on him but I wouldn't give up much in return if anything as it's debatable if he's even an upgrade on Hiller.
and he needs a week or so off after his ugly game to get his mind refocused. He doesn't bounce back like Kiprusoff did after a bad game. The question for me is can Ortio come in cold and give us solid play for that time or is Ortio only good when getting consistent playing time?
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Old 05-24-2015, 01:27 PM   #164
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Well Hiller has a contract with the Flames and Ramo is a free agent
Yeah that gives Hiller the advantage but Ramo could be signed and Hiller traded without a lot of trouble. We may even get something good.
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Old 05-24-2015, 02:17 PM   #165
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I have a feeling the Flames goalie combo is going to be Ward-Ortio next year. Ramo is going to want a long term deal and I think is going to test free agency. Hiller is not the goalie to go with next year and a trade I would like to see happen is Ward+35th for Hiller+53rd. The goalies are pretty much a wash but the Canes save $2.3M on the cap. Of that is not incentive enough the flames could add one of their 3rds?

They might invite a veteran goalie to camp to challenge Ortio but he ultimately is the backup to start the year and battle for the number 1 job
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Old 05-24-2015, 04:52 PM   #166
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I have a feeling the Flames goalie combo is going to be Ward-Ortio next year. Ramo is going to want a long term deal and I think is going to test free agency. Hiller is not the goalie to go with next year and a trade I would like to see happen is Ward+35th for Hiller+53rd. The goalies are pretty much a wash but the Canes save $2.3M on the cap. Of that is not incentive enough the flames could add one of their 3rds?

They might invite a veteran goalie to camp to challenge Ortio but he ultimately is the backup to start the year and battle for the number 1 job
That's a long shot at best. Very unlikely scenario.

There's a much better chance we see Ramo re-signed and Hiller in the frame as well.

Say what you will about Hiller, but he added some stability between the pipes at vital times this season. He wasn't always as consistent as you would expect a starter to be, but he single-handedly got the Flames off to their winning start. That shutout early doors against Chicago? Insane.

I still feel Ortio has a lot to prove. It's better to overcook young goalies than throw them off the deep end too soon. Another season in the minors isn't going to hurt his development, unless he goes all primadonna on us.

My instinct would be to re-sign Ramo, roll with him and Hiller until the deadline and then trade Hiller if a team is desperate for a veteran goalie.
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Old 05-24-2015, 05:06 PM   #167
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That's a long shot at best. Very unlikely scenario.

There's a much better chance we see Ramo re-signed and Hiller in the frame as well.

Say what you will about Hiller, but he added some stability between the pipes at vital times this season. He wasn't always as consistent as you would expect a starter to be, but he single-handedly got the Flames off to their winning start. That shutout early doors against Chicago? Insane.

I still feel Ortio has a lot to prove. It's better to overcook young goalies than throw them off the deep end too soon. Another season in the minors isn't going to hurt his development, unless he goes all primadonna on us.

My instinct would be to re-sign Ramo, roll with him and Hiller until the deadline and then trade Hiller if a team is desperate for a veteran goalie.
I don't think it's a long shot at all. The Flames were circling the Canes last year at the draft on Ward. No reason to think if they wanted him then that they wouldn't want him now.

To add to that, Treliving was not definitive in the least on any goalie except for Ortio at his season ending presser. You have to believe they're going to explore all options heading into the draft and UFA day when it comes to Hiller, Ramo and whoever else they may be looking at. Only thing that seems a given right now is that Ortio is a lock for something with the Flames entering into camp. And that Treliving will only roll into camp with two goalies after his comments.

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Old 05-24-2015, 07:00 PM   #168
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I still feel Ortio has a lot to prove. It's better to overcook young goalies than throw them off the deep end too soon. Another season in the minors isn't going to hurt his development, unless he goes all primadonna on us.
Ortio is on a one-way contract starting next season. So if he does end up in the minors they will be paying him his NHL salary. Not sure how much more seasoning in the minors he really needs at this point, they aren't rushing him along at all. I think it's his time to show his stuff in the NHL.
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Ortio is on a one-way contract starting next season. So if he does end up in the minors they will be paying him his NHL salary. Not sure how much more seasoning in the minors he really needs at this point, they aren't rushing him along at all. I think it's his time to show his stuff in the NHL.
It's not Ortio's salary that is of concern. It's his waiver eligibility status which means we can lose him for nothing by sending him down.

That said, I would like to roll with Ramo/Ortio if we can sign Ramo on a 2-year deal or something and offload Hiller for a pick.

The Ward for Hiller scenario I would like to see us go after the 5th overall for taking on the extra cap/salary and give them the 15th, 45th, and 52nd. That may be wishful thinking, but that $2.3M salary has to be worthwhile.
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Old 05-24-2015, 08:29 PM   #170
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2.3M in cap space does not jump the Flames into the top 5 even with tossing in all of our seconds. That is Hanifin, Marner, or Strome which is a big tier above the players available at 15. Maybe if the Flames took on Semin and added Raymond it gets closer as we would be taking on over $6M in additional salary.

If we could pull off any trade with the Canes and snag that 5th pick and get Hanifin that would be amazing.


I think if the Flamea are not offering Ramo 4 years he is going to test the market. Also I think he wants to be the number 1 so Hiller would have to move
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Old 05-24-2015, 09:10 PM   #171
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Any GM who would trade a top 10 pick to get out of cap trouble would find himself out of a job in a hurry. There's a reason no trades like this have occurred, there's always another way to create cap space without trading a high pick that will likely turn into a good young player. The rumored PHX/CAR trades at the last draft should be taken with a grain of salt, they were just rumors after all. I'm sure there was some truth to them, but I don't think all the details were there. Who knows what other pieces were part of those proposed deals, even if Ribiero/Ward and the 1st round picks were the main parts.
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We won't be getting the 5th OA pick.

Ward and the 35th OA pick for Hiller and our 3rd is more ideal.
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2.3M in cap space does not jump the Flames into the top 5 even with tossing in all of our seconds. That is Hanifin, Marner, or Strome which is a big tier above the players available at 15. Maybe if the Flames took on Semin and added Raymond it gets closer as we would be taking on over $6M in additional salary.

If we could pull off any trade with the Canes and snag that 5th pick and get Hanifin that would be amazing.


I think if the Flamea are not offering Ramo 4 years he is going to test the market. Also I think he wants to be the number 1 so Hiller would have to move
Where the hell is Ramo going to be a starter????

If that's his intention, he isn't going to get signed at all
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Where the hell is Ramo going to be a starter????

If that's his intention, he isn't going to get signed at all
Calgary, San Jose, Edmonton, Buffalo...

Those would be my top four he signs with.
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Calgary, San Jose, Edmonton, Buffalo...

Those would be my top four he signs with.
None as a starter...
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Hiller had some shaky games where the confidence and quick goals were painful to watch. He did battle back on many occasions. He put up some solid numbers and helped us win games on stretches. I think the most insightful analysis was from Hrudey who commented that he drops down two quickly and this was a style of goaltending that was encouraged and taught that is no longer favored. Maybe someone here could speak to this.

Ramo was a battler and more confident in net. Made some fantastic saves and numbers were very good. More upside because of age here with this goaltender.

So it's a tough choice. Would probably lean to Ramo based on the upside, but appreciate Hiller coming to Calgary and the games he played for us.
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None as a starter...
How not?

The only way the Flames sign him is if we're trading Hiller. In which case Ramo would likely be the starter or else the 1A goalie to begin with.

San Jose - Niemi hasn't re-signed and sounds like he will go to free agency. Ramo would be the starter over Stalock.

Edmonton - Ramo is better than Scrivens IMO.

Buffalo - What goalies do they even have anymore? Apparently just Chad Johnson. Ramo is easily the starter.
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Doesn't Buffalo have Makarov too? He should be due to make he big team soon
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Doesn't Buffalo have Makarov too? He should be due to make he big team soon
Maybe, he had bad stats in the AHL last year.

45th out of 50 goalies for GAA (2.91).
42nd in SV% (0.905).
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How not?

The only way the Flames sign him is if we're trading Hiller. In which case Ramo would likely be the starter or else the 1A goalie to begin with.

San Jose - Niemi hasn't re-signed and sounds like he will go to free agency. Ramo would be the starter over Stalock.

Edmonton - Ramo is better than Scrivens IMO.

Buffalo - What goalies do they even have anymore? Apparently just Chad Johnson. Ramo is easily the starter.
First, Ramo has never started more than 36 games so he's not a starter yet. Every season he's posted below league average save % or GAA. He's never won more than 17 games. That doesn't scream unmet potential to me.

While he may be an upgrade over, say Scrivens, Chiarelli is not about to go to with another unproven back up to be the starter. Neither will Wilson.

Buffalo maybe, but that's quite literally the only starting option he's got and even then I'm not sure they'd do it as there'll be other options.

There's plenty of goalies available with few destinations. Chicago has a crowded crease, Ottawa does too. Winnipeg is likely to trade a goalie too I'd guess with Hellebuyk coming. Detroit has Gustafson, Howard and now Mrazek. Cam Talbot, Dubnyk, Anti Niemi will all be UFA.
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