The Team That Feaster Built

[Hot_Flatus]

I don't see a reason to applaud someone for simply doing their job. Did Feaster rise this franchise from the ashes and give us all a champion? His job was to manage the team and he failed at that in many aspects (actually most, which is why he was fired and why he's been jobless for a year). Infact, I'd call his tenure more of a circus then anything professional with all the debacles (O'Reilly mishap, Jankowksi outburst, poor FA pursuits, playoff comments, blogger outburst etc).

Sure, some of his picks look great, but aside from Monohan and possibly Gaudreau, all are pretty much unproven. Put the brakes on and let the dust settle from this great start. There are a few of prospects and current Flames that are still a result of B Sutter. Is this the team that B Sutter built as well?

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

there are literally 6 players that played in Phoenix on Saturday who ever played for Brent. I bet if Hartley had that god forsaken team that Brent had he would have a team that looked like it was not having any fun either.

If I recall quite a few players were brought in under Brent's watch with the same results.You just have to look at the bench to see these players are having more fun under Hartley. I will agree with you there is no question the team Brent had, had a few slackers that didn't buy in and were also an issue for Hartley. Hartley IMO is still a large reason the positive culture change; Promoting Gio a hard working captain was huge.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Feaster was fired because he wasn't a good GM and will never get another NHL GM job because he was a bad GM. The end.

The same can be said of D. Sutter.

[saillias]

Brent Sutter hockey was just plain boring, dull hockey. I'm so glad we don't play that style anymore and that we have Gio and Brodie to "break" it when scrub teams try the snoozeblock against us.

[icecube]

I practically stopped watching Flames games during the Brent Sutter years. Too boring. Those were dark days to be a Flames fan.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

I don't see a reason to applaud someone for simply doing their job. Did Feaster rise this franchise from the ashes and give us all a champion? His job was to manage the team and he failed at that in many aspects (actually most, which is why he was fired and why he's been jobless for a year). Infact, I'd call his tenure more of a circus then anything professional with all the debacles (O'Reilly mishap, Jankowksi outburst, poor FA pursuits, playoff comments, blogger outburst etc).

Sure, some of his picks look great, but aside from Monohan and possibly Gaudreau, all are pretty much unproven. Put the brakes on and let the dust settle from this great start. There are a few of prospects and current Flames that are still a result of B Sutter. Is this the team that B Sutter built as well?

[ColoradoFlamesFan]

While it's easy to look back and be critical of some of the moves Jay made, you could also argue that he made "BOLD MOVES". Moves that were promised up north and never materialized. The ROR attempt while misguided and risky, had it worked, would have/could have been something special.
I'm not trying to say anything more than we need to only look at Edmonton or even Winnipeg as examples of teams that tend to "sit on their hands".

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by ColoradoFlamesFan

While it's easy to look back and be critical of some of the moves Jay made, you could also argue that he made "BOLD MOVES". Moves that were promised up north and never materialized. The ROR attempt while misguided and risky, had it worked, would have/could have been something special.
I'm not trying to say anything more than we need to only look at Edmonton or even Winnipeg as examples of teams that tend to "sit on their hands".

It would have been special indeed. We wouldn't have Monahan or Bennett and we would have had yet another reason not to rebuild. Heck, Iginla may have even stayed on with his new number one centre. In which case we would have kept Bouwmeester as well and probably never made the Tanguay trade.

If it all turned out we could still be watching a team mail it in every night. Meanwhile we would be down 4 first round picks (our 2 for O'Reilly plus the ones we didn't get in the Iginla and Bouwmeester trsdes) so we would be concerned we don't have a farm system. Plus, no cap space to fix things.

That would be great.

[Hanna Sniper]

Originally Posted by kehatch

It would have been special indeed. We wouldn't have Monahan or Bennett and we would have had yet another reason not to rebuild. Heck, Iginla may have even stayed on with his new number one centre. In which case we would have kept Bouwmeester as well and probably never made the Tanguay trade.

If it all turned out we could still be watching a team mail it in every night. Meanwhile we would be down 4 first round picks (our 2 for O'Reilly plus the ones we didn't get in the Iginla and Bouwmeester trsdes) so we would be concerned we don't have a farm system. Plus, no cap space to fix things.

That would be great.

Just because you make something up doesn't make it true... We actually have no clue what the end result would have been

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

Just because you make something up doesn't make it true... We actually have no clue what the end result would have been

Your taking my sarcastic scenario a little too literaly. But the point stands. The Ryan O'Reilly fiasco was a fiasco because it didn't work. But it would have been a much larger fiasco if it did.

I don't know about you or that Colorado Flames fan guy, but I am pretty happy with where we are with our rebuild. I can't think of a single reason to think "if only that O'Reilly offer sheet would have worked.. That would have been rad"

(It has been so long since I used the word rad. Feels good.)

Edit: Fun fact. Monahan has more points the O'Reilly this season. Not that it means much. Except to say I wouldn't trade Monahan for O'Reilly straight up, let alone throw in Bennett and a pick as a sweetener.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Again, a little correction on the twist here. From all reports it was Feaster who came to Iginla for a trade, not the big bad Iginla forcing his hand. Maybe I missed something, maybe I've completely forgotten but I don't remember much talk of Feaster trying to re-sign Iginla and Iginla refusing, forcing Feaster's hand.

This was a little convoluted... I think history of the season goes that Iginla didn't want to talk contract until the end of the season. As the season went out and we were on the outside looking in (re: playoffs), he did the ROR offer sheet..... when that failed, Iginla wanted to see where things were at, "lets see where we (Flames) are next week" as he really wanted to get it done with the Flames. There was one source (OJ?) that stated he was connected to ownership, and ownership was shocked that Iginla may not plan on re-signing with the Flames.... as playoffs faded away, Iginla realized we weren't going to make the playoffs that year and gave Feaster a team of 4 teams to be traded to. The rest, well we know what happened.

As for the "team" that is build right now.... this is how I would give credit, naming only notable players:

Feaster - Hartley, Hudler (best additions), Byron

Darryl - Glencross, possibly Giordano

Treliving - Hiller

Tod Button, Tom Webster, and development staff (Troy Ward, Huska through to Playfair) - Giordano, Brodie, Backlund, Gaudreau, Granlund, Jooris, Bouma, Ferland, Poirer, Wotherspoon....et al

* Monahan was a bit of a no brainer, but I guess you could give Feaster credit for that since if we didn't suck so bad, we wouldn't have a good draft pick

So....... If you are going to give credit to anyone for building this team, its Tod Button, his scouting staff and the development staff

[blender]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Edit: Fun fact. Monahan has more points the O'Reilly this season. Not that it means much. Except to say I wouldn't trade Monahan for O'Reilly straight up, let alone throw in Bennett and a pick as a sweetener.

This.
At the time of the offer sheet, I thought it was a bad idea. In hindsight it seems like it would have been a franchise-debilitating fiasco if it had gone through. No doubt about it.

[killer_carlson]

The offer sheet issue is not as clear cut as some here suggest. The NHL had their position but the Flames had a legitimate case on the interpretation. Dont get me wrong, they ought to have clarified prior to making the offer sheet, but I do not accept as fact that it was a done deal.

[blender]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

The offer sheet issue is not as clear cut as some here suggest. The NHL had their position but the Flames had a legitimate case on the interpretation. Dont get me wrong, they ought to have clarified prior to making the offer sheet, but I do not accept as fact that it was a done deal.

Totally agree, but I think the point most are making is that the Flames would have been boned even if Colorado didn't match and we got to keep O'Reilly.

[blender]

Just to get directly on topic, I feel that Feaster deserves credit for some of the moves he made, and the Flames are lucky some of his mistakes didn't bite us too hard (or didn't pan out as it were).

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by blender

Totally agree, but I think the point most are making is that the Flames would have been boned even if Colorado didn't match and we got to keep O'Reilly.

At the time, it wasn't even known where Calgary would be drafting.

It could have been Seth Jones. Less likely but still possible, it could have been mckinnon.

Everything about it was bad, motivation, timing, preparation and execution.

Bad.

Not signing richards was like Dodging a bulllet. That offersheet was like dodging a scud missile. It had the potential to be disastrous.

[dammage79]

What a pass!

[ColoradoFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by kehatch

It would have been special indeed. We wouldn't have Monahan or Bennett and we would have had yet another reason not to rebuild. Heck, Iginla may have even stayed on with his new number one centre. In which case we would have kept Bouwmeester as well and probably never made the Tanguay trade.

If it all turned out we could still be watching a team mail it in every night. Meanwhile we would be down 4 first round picks (our 2 for O'Reilly plus the ones we didn't get in the Iginla and Bouwmeester trsdes) so we would be concerned we don't have a farm system. Plus, no cap space to fix things.

That would be great.

To clarify, I'm not a big fan of Jay and advocating what he did with ROR. Maybe I should have put the note in the "Edmonton is no good" thread because I was trying to point out that even compared to Jay, Edmonton is... NO GOOD

[bluck]

Bump. Thank you Jay!