Survivor 29: San Juan del Sur - Blood vs Water - Pool and Discussion

[JiriHrdina]

Keith is just too simple a man for this game. Too honest. Too transparent. Feel bad for Reed because to that point it was a well thought out and well executed plan that would have worked. Now he's exposed as a threat to Jon and likely going home.

[Komskies]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Keith is just too simple a man for this game. Too honest. Too transparent. Feel bad for Reed because to that point it was a well thought out and well executed plan that would have worked. Now he's exposed as a threat to Jon and likely going home.

He's clearly in way over his head when it comes to the complexities of the social game. You're right, he just isn't cut out for it.

[Parallex]

I think if they do another Blood vs. Water they need to go back to having it be returning players and loved ones. Doing it with all new players just ensured that you got too many weak players.

Sometimes Survivor has to tinker with a format before they get it right... with Blood vs. Water I think that Exile Island works better then Redemption Island since it get's you the loved one vs. loved one solo challange and the drama that you get at the arena (without making TC anti-climatic like RI does). But when you cast returning players you can at least be certain that you're getting at least 8 legitimate players and 8 very knowledgable newbies instead of maybe 8 knowledgable newbies (less recruits) and 8 just-along-for-the-ride loved ones.

Personally I hope Survivor does a season called Survivor: Rivals... run it just like blood vs. water except that instead of loved on vs. loved one it's an all-star season where each side has one person that had an intense rivalry/dislike of a person on the other side... Corinne/Suger, Boston Rob/Lex, Phillip/Francesca, Josh/Jeremy, Kass/Trish, etc. etc.

[Parallex]

Dumb, dumb, dumb... I see extremely marginal upside to that last vote. Nat, you're making me regret the props I gave you last week. Alienating 1/2 the tribe and telegraphing your next move in exchange for keeping someone more likely to beat Jon? Bad trade. Once Jon had the necklace the right move was to just stick with the five this vote and try to get him out later. With this crew even if you failed to get him out next you'd still end up as the swing vote between the couples if you played it smart.

The edit is completely pointing to a Jon win.

[mile]

Just caught up on the episode. This merge has been really good so far.

Unfortunate that Reed was voted out - he really was the only real opposition left and was the glue holding Alec and Keith together. Loved it when he called Baylor a brat. I don't really like her or Missy at all.

Alec was put out his misery. He looked so damn depressed out there.

Natalie had better hope Missy has a change of heart when it comes to Jon, or that Missy gets the medivac because even with Baylor and Keith's votes, its still a 3-3 tie. I really don't think Natalie's vote was a great move, but its not a bad one either because waiting until final five as the swing vote between the couples might lead to Jon playing his idol, resulting in Natalie getting voted out. Jon can see Missy blindsiding him at final five, but not at final six.

The longer Natalie and Jon stay in the game the better it will get.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I finally lost my first player last night. Alec played a very underwhelming game.

Jon seems like a nice enough guy, but I really want him gone. It annoys me when other players suck up to others, give them rewards, etc. I'd like to see the couples broken up to make the ending a bit more interesting.

[d_phaneuf]

I am still enjoying the season, but whomever wins is going to end up thought of as a weak winner

at this point Jaclyn might be the most likable

[GreenLantern]

It will be interesting to see what happens at this weeks vote.. because they have to at least entertain the idea that Keith has an idol. He already played one, there are idols around.. you have to think about it or one of your is going home.

However, that means having to split the votes against someone from within their alliance. Do they tell John its going to be Nat and then Baylor blind sides John? Or does Missy vote with John and Jaq and Nat goes home? So many different ways it could be played out. It almost makes how boring the season has been up until this point worth it for the potential drama.

However that all goes out the window if the preview is accurate and somebody is going home injured.

[Barbecue]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

at this point Jaclyn might be the most likable

Jaclyn is starting to be every boyfriend's nightmare

flirting with other guys, starting drama when none exists

that's probably the biggest relationship pet peeve of mine, when certain girls feel the need for attention, they'll start a fight out of nothing just to have you begging for their forgiveness

[killer_carlson]

Keith....don't count him out in this. I know the jury hates him, but each vote he survives he becomes more of a threat to win the game. Is he crazy like a fox, or just crazy?

[WhiteTiger]

Finally caught up with the last 2 ep's (thanks, VOD!) and then tonight's. Wow. I'm pretty happy with how tonight's vote went. I'm starting to like Natalie as a player, too. Interesting in seeing how this goes, for sure.

Also, I don't think I've ever seen a jury so stacked with men. It's amusing to me that not a single woman has hit the jury yet.

[killer_carlson]

I have 2 in the final 5 left in pool #2. This is awesome.

Go Keith!

[mile]

Another good episode. The trend of being generous with rewards and then getting voted out continues. Blindsides are always great, but I wish it was Jon staying and Baylor or Missy getting booted.

I'd like a Jaclyn/Natalie/Keith win. If Jaclyn or Keith make it to the final it'll be due to an immunity run. Natalie, Missy, and Baylor have played the best strategically - they likely secured their final three with tonight's move.

The winner's edit is now a myth.

[Cheese]

I don't see Baylor, Jaclyn or Missie winning...so it's Keith or Natalie as long as one of them make it.

[ernie]

Go twinnie!!!!

Of course I was one of the few that liked them on the Amazing Race (they were purposely over-annoying because it was somewhat effective at distracting competitors during the tasks...I believe they mentioned this specifically as a strategy during the first race).

Natalie's acting performance coming back from tribal was fantastic. They bought it hook line and sinker. She engineered the blindside perfectly over the last few episodes. She wins if she makes it to the final vote. I'm not sure it matters who she is up against.

[jroc]

Natalie would be as easy decision to take to the final as well, as I believe she's the only remaining player without a loved one in the jury.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by jroc

Natalie would be as easy decision to take to the final as well, as I believe she's the only remaining player without a loved one in the jury.

She's smart. She is bringing Missy and Baylor to the final if she can then no one has a loved one. No one likes Baylor or Missy from what I can tell. Jon and Jaclyn may put votes towards Missy but in the end while she'll believe she never broke his trust because she never wrote his name she was integral to his blindside. At this point Baylor and Missy have played the game as willing pawns. They'll need to make big moves NOW to have any hope of winning.

IF, and it is still a big if, Natalie makes it to the end it is because she broke away from the shadows at precisely the right moment and controlled the game from that point on. And she'll likely be rewarded for it.

[Barbecue]

Cant bring Keith, his son and all his ex alliance members are on the jury.

Jaclyn has at least 1 vote in Jon, but could make a good story that she was a passenger the whole game.

Missy & Baylor makes sense to go into the final 3, but Missy may take votes away because everyone likes her mom qualities

[CaptainCrunch]

Personally I would take Jacklyn and Baylor to the end.

Jaclyn because she's kind of unlikeable, and Baylor because she doesn't have a great jury story.

The biggest threat to Nat is the final vote before the jury, she's a huge threat to win it and everyone can see that.

[mile]

The best move Missy and Baylor could make for the end game would booting Natalie at final 4. Don't think they would do that though.