[News] Flames/Glencross looking at Extension

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

Solid depth winger, very versatile, can pk, pp, top and bottom six as well as both wings. Chippy when engaged, but inconsistent. Good for 20+ goals.

I'd compare him to Dubinsky, he could cash in 5x5 on the market depending on supply & demand.

My guess is 5x3 or 4x5 if he signs with the flames which is a good deal.

He looked frustrated last year, probably due to his injuries and possibly that he hates to lose - wears his heart on his sleeves (correct english expression?)

He's a keeper, will probably mature and take more responsibility.



Look what Dubinsky got.

He didn't last year. Even when he was playing, he always seems to float now. For the past few years we see less and less of that style that made him what he is. As I've said before, whenever I watched him play he always seemed to be just playing to play not to win. I don't think he's a good role model for the young guys on the team especially young college guys.

As for comparing him to other players, lets compare guys to Clarkson for the leafs. Plays terrible, gets paid huge. Everyone should ask for huge contracts. Better yet, lets compare guys to oilers! 7 years 7 mill for everyone! Comparing players is useless when it comes to contracts. Offer him what you think is fair and if he thinks he can do better then move on. He isn't that important to the team.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I believe he cares about life after the buzzer more-so than the game. I don't think he's the kind of guy to lay it all out there to win games, and be an example for the younger players. I think he plays hockey to subsidize his ranch and true passion... and there's nothing wrong with that... but I don't want that on the Flames.

Let him get his big payday over the next 3-5 years on another team.

You completely failed to answer Transplant's question.

What makes you think - what evidence do you have - that "Glencross wants to be here more than management wants him to be here"?

Protip: When the team is opening negotiations on a contract extension a year early, they want the player to stay.

[Tinordi]

Probably sacriledge to suggest this but Dubinsky probably has significantly more value to Columbus than Glencross does to Calgary.

Dubinsky isa very good NHL center and was ppg in the playoffs (sure short run). He's also very physical. He had 236 hits last year. I was reading that only two other players had more hits and points than Dubinsky last year, Lucic and Backes.

Infact, I don't think there's any doubt that Dubinsky would probably be universally preferred by GMs than Glencross for all the reasons listed above and by the fact that he's 4 years younger.

Dubinsky simply isn't a comparable to an ageing Glencross at this point. He's a significantly better player.

[killer_carlson]

If he doesn't want the NMC he gets $5plus for 2 to 3 years.

If he wants the NMC he gets $4.5 and it is a deal.

He is a much better player than people are giving him credit for.

There is a tendency on here that if a player gets injured his historical production is severely downgraded.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I believe he cares about life after the buzzer more-so than the game. I don't think he's the kind of guy to lay it all out there to win games, and be an example for the younger players. I think he plays hockey to subsidize his ranch and true passion... and there's nothing wrong with that... but I don't want that on the Flames.

Let him get his big payday over the next 3-5 years on another team.

Can you show me repeated pictures of Glencross pulling a Hall, Eberle! gadzic and being at the clubs a couple of hours after being embarrassed on home ice - REPEATEDLY?

I think he is a long way from being called out as not caring about the ice performance. I have seen no evidence to support that.

[Poe969]

I think you meant "He was a much better player than people are giving him credit for"

He's often injured and takes too many games off. His last contract should have been for more money and this one should be for less. Don't give him a contract based on what he's done for us in the past.

It's time to move forward and think of the future, if they see Glencross as part of the future, what role do you think he'll have? He isn't a top 6 winger when our prospects are ready (which could even be this year). He's a glorified third line guy who can play on the second line.

He's on an amazing contract now and would be a great third line guy on a deep team like the B's or the Ducks. He has more value to the Flames if he's playing on another team and the Flames get assets for him.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Can you show me repeated pictures of Glencross pulling a Hall, Eberle! gadzic and being at the clubs a couple of hours after being embarrassed on home ice - REPEATEDLY?

I think he is a long way from being called out as not caring about the ice performance. I have seen no evidence to support that.

He just said that his passion is the ranch not the clubs......You won't find many (if any) pictures of Glencross at the clubs just like you wouldn't find many (if any) pictures of Hall, Eberle! gadzic at the ranch.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

If he wants the NMC he can go somewhere else.

fyp

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Poe969

He isn't a top 6 winger when our prospects are ready (which could even be this year).

Our prospects aren't ready, and they won't be this year.

The Oilers think of the future with no thought to the present.

I want the Flames to be smarter and look to both the present and future. Even if that results in choices that run counter to the view of some fans suffering from extreme cases of confirmation bias.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Poe969

He just said that his passion is the ranch not the clubs......You won't find many (if any) pictures of Glencross at the clubs just like you wouldn't find many (if any) pictures of Hall, Eberle! gadzic at the ranch.

It says a great deal about your thought process that you are actually trying to equate frequently partying it up at bars after losses to working at ones ranch.

It's doubly hilarious because working on farms/ranches is hard work. You are basically accusing Glencross of having the very same character trait you accuse him of lacking. It boggles the mind.

[Tinordi]

People have a weird hate-on for Glencross.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

It says a great deal about your thought process that you are actually trying to equate frequently partying it up at bars after losses to working at ones ranch.

It's doubly hilarious because working on farms/ranches is hard work. You are basically accusing Glencross of having the very same character trait you accuse him of lacking. It boggles the mind.

What he does on the ice is a lot different than what he does off the mind. He looks uninterested on the ice at times, like others have said; it looks like he's playing hockey to pay for his passion which is being on the ranch. I'm not doubting Glencross works hard on the ranch nor do I care. I care about what he does on the ice and for the most part, he seems to float and take games off. During those times, he's not exemplifying that hard working trait. Hope that clears it up for you.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

People have a weird hate-on for Glencross.

I don't hate the guy and I actually think he can be a useful asset for a couple more seasons however for where this organization is he has no place here after that. It is the same with Matt Stajan, good to have him here right now but in two or three years he should be traded and moved on.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

People have a weird hate-on for Glencross.

Yeah, I can't get my head wrapped around it actually....the "floater" and "don't care" nonsense really annoys the crap out of me.

I think if folks take 2 seconds to think about it they would realize that Hartley wouldn't put him on the ice if this was true and there sure as crap wouldn't be any extension talk.

You can't expect hummingbird pace and buzzsaw intensity from a guy who has never played that way. Other than injuries, and the fact that I think he tries to play through them to the detriment of his game, he plays the exact way he always has and people loved old "Scoreface". He is methodical and strategic...like 80% of the players in the league....wheels up when he sees an opening and back checks like a winger.

I think people don't like the look on his face to be honest....misinterpret his expressions and judge him on that. To be clear I am just ok on Glencross...not his #1 fan by any means but I think he is an honest player and the Flames can use those in the rebuild.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by kn

Post-apex... do not want. Oh wait... that guy's no longer in charge.

Still don't really care to see him re-signed.

Based on our moves during free agency, it's clear that Treliving does not share Feaster's opinion that it's a bad idea to give multi-year contracts to post-apex players when you're still in the early stages of rebuilding. Whether that's for the best remains to be seen, but I fully expect that the Flames will try to sign Glencross for a few more years.

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't hate the guy and I actually think he can be a useful asset for a couple more seasons however for where this organization is he has no place here after that. It is the same with Matt Stajan, good to have him here right now but in two or three years he should be traded and moved on.

I think we should move stajan now. Whenever i watch him he is just kind of "there", and IMO his spot can be filled by a youngster. I do realize he has the leadership qualities blah blah blah...

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

With rumours that Glencross would be unwilling to waive his NTC for virtually any team, you don't want to lose an asset for nothing.

I don't want another Cammalleri situation.

Yah because the Cammy situation ended up hurting us so badly

Yes the Flames missed out on getting a 3rd round pick or something similar for Cammy, and absolutely you have to put that into the "loss" column for the Flames I'm not trying to pretend that it's not. But it's a pretty minimal loss, and the Flames clearly would have rather had the shot at re-signing him than take the guaranteed value in picks they were offered at deadline day.

As for Glencross, suggesting that the Flames need to sign him given he may not waive his NTC and you'll end up losing him for nothing is ridiculous. I'm not saying the Flames should or shouldn't want him, but if they don't, signing a player or a contract they'd rather not have simply to avoid losing the asset for nothing is worse than losing the asset for nothing. If you don't want him back, or don't want the terms he'll accept, then you simply have to walk away and accept it's part of the sunk cost of previous management signing that player to an NTC and cut your losses.

[Chill Cosby]

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

I think we should move stajan now. Whenever i watch him he is just kind of "there", and IMO his spot can be filled by a youngster. I do realize he has the leadership qualities blah blah blah...

Problems with moving Stajan:
- He's dependable defensively
- He's consistent
- Having 3 centers with less than 130 (less than 82 if Byron plays center instead of Bouma) is generally not great.
- No rookies are currently ready to step into a full-time NHL center role

Just my opinion of course, but there appears to be zero benefit to moving Stajan out right now.

[calumniate]

I thought Glencross has done as well as possible given the injuries he's recovered from. High ankle sprain, knee..

I don't think he's a lazy floater at all, although he doesn't always make the best decisions. He can be so good on the PK and I'm sure he'll be up for some goals this year. Look forward to seeing how he does this year.

[Dajazz]

Originally Posted by Poe969

He didn't last year. Even when he was playing, he always seems to float now. For the past few years we see less and less of that style that made him what he is. As I've said before, whenever I watched him play he always seemed to be just playing to play not to win. I don't think he's a good role model for the young guys on the team especially young college guys.

As for comparing him to other players, lets compare guys to Clarkson for the leafs. Plays terrible, gets paid huge. Everyone should ask for huge contracts. Better yet, lets compare guys to oilers! 7 years 7 mill for everyone! Comparing players is useless when it comes to contracts. Offer him what you think is fair and if he thinks he can do better then move on. He isn't that important to the team.

Don't mind if we disagree.

If Dubinsky, a similar type of player gets SIX YEARS at almost SIX million you don't think Glencross is worth 5x3 on the market?

Doesnt matter what we think, these guys get paid!