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Old 06-21-2014, 12:26 PM   #161
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They also made their position on Kovalchuk and the Devil's cap circumvention clear and then they changed their minds later.

We'll never know for sure how the situation would have been resolved.
Is that what I not said?

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Don't know how you can say the outcome wasn't officially communicated when the Flames press release about the situation clearly states the league told them RoR would have had to clear waivers after the fact.

Now whether that would have held up after legal challenges and arbitration is an academic point because Colorado matched before they could go down that road. In many ways it was good fortune for the Flames that Greg Sherman matched the offer sheet so quickly.
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Old 06-21-2014, 12:27 PM   #162
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I think there's no way the league would've let the Flames lose the first rounder and O'Reilly for nothing. That makes everyone look bad, the Flames, the Avs and especially the league. Pretty sure the league was glad the Avs matched so that they didn't have to rule on he situation.

Let's not forget that the Flames weren't the only team looking to sign O'Reilly to the offer sheet. Clearly their wording was ambiguous.

Which other teams were going to offersheet him?
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Old 06-21-2014, 12:32 PM   #163
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Which other teams were going to offersheet him?
Allegedly VAN was kicking tires on the offer sheet.
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Old 06-21-2014, 02:20 PM   #164
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I see your point, but matching also has to do with whether or not they thought it was better to overpay than lose him. It's doesn't necessarily mean they thought it was what he was worth, only that it was better than the alternative.

Part of it is also pride. No GM wants their players poached.

Having said that, they turned down a high 1st round pick and a 3rd rounder for him, so they do value him a lot. Part of building a winning team though is being able to maintain a salary structure where young players aren't paid top dollar as quickly as they were forced to with O'Reilly due to our offersheet.
No they turned down a mid first round pick (and 3rd) from the Flames.

The Flames had the same line up that had the 14th overall pick in previous draft.

On March 1, 2013 when the Avs matched the offer the Flames were 7-8-4 and 5 pts out of 5th spot in the conference with 2 games in hand on Detroit.


The top 6 were Iginla, Cammalleri, Tanquay, Hudler, Glencross and Stempniak.... The top 2 centres were Stajan and Backlund!! (O'Rielly would have played 20+ minutes a game on this team)

The Defense was Bouwmeester, Wideman, Gio and Brodie..... Sarich was a spare part d-man.

Kipper was in goal coming off a great 2011-12


With O'Rielly making the kind of impact he was supposed to both the Flames and Avs thought the Flames would make the playoffs ..... or because they had Bouwmeester fall just short.

There was little doubt that #1 draft pick that the Avs were going to get was going to be a 10th pick at best and possibly a 20th-ish


The Avs were not getting Monahan... they were getting Domi or Curtis Lazar or Gauthier or maybe Poirier.


Turns out ROR had little or no positive impact .... the Avs only winning 8 of the 29 games he played in.


Had the Avs thought they were getting a top 6 pick they would not have matched.


PS. If O'rielly had joined the Flames and the season played out exactly the same..... wouldn't have the Flames given the Avs the 28th overall pick instead of #6??

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PS. If O'rielly had joined the Flames and the season played out exactly the same..... wouldn't have the Flames given the Avs the 28th overall pick instead of #6??
Nope.

You give the team your own pick whether you have other 1sts that year or not.
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When does the arbitration process actually occur / is there a deadline for it?
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Old 06-26-2014, 09:14 PM   #167
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I would love it if the Flames were paying 6 mil to a 100 point scorer.

Cammy earned 6 mil + and he was never anywhere near 100 points.
different era, and salary inflation
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