[PGT] Flames 2 - Canes 0 - GLORIOUS VICTORY!

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I know some people will get mad and say all wins are great but wins from this point are counterproductive.

No they're not.

Exhibit A that losing isn't productive: Edmonton Oilers.

Losing doesn't mean your team will be any good.

[Wolfman]

Congrats to Ramo on 1st shutout. He's played well enough to have a couple. Well done.

[MrMastodonFarm]

I'm still not going to use the S word for fear the Flames will somehow get a goal against. I'll wait a day or two.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I know some people will get mad and say all wins are great but wins from this point are counterproductive.

Cool story bro

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

If we can put Sven on the Byron Development Regimen (Tm), then things will start to get more fun and enjoyable next year.

I was at the final Flames - Wild game last year when Cundari scored his first. Byron was also in that game and looked completely ineffective. Soft. Non-engaging. Meek. Just weak all around. I posted as such after the game and had mentally ripped up the Paul Byron lottery ticket in half. Kudos to him for committing to develop his game, and to Ward and company for coaxing this game out of him.

Paul Byron is 24 and a great example of how impatient we fans are, especially around here. Byron was totally written off by most of us when he couldn't make the roster full time at 22, he was a complete afterthought. At 21 years old and 24 points in 51 NHL games some people have written off Baertschi too.

Patience, bitches.

[DOOM]

Im willing to bet the majority of people crying about the Flames right are the sames ones that were crying for a rebuild the last few years.

"trade Iginla" ...."oh we suck now"....."trade everyone for Crosby!1111!!!"

[Dx54]

nm

[UKflames]

I only managed to watch the first two periods but woke to find that we had still got the win and a shutout to boot, good job Ramo. They seemed to have the right idea of how to get out of this scoring slump, just throw everything at the net and try not to be too flashy. Really love backlunds game right now, turning into a great player and deserved that A last night.

One down point for me is Westgarth. He has to be the worst skater in the world, my gran could beat him in a puck race and she is no longer with us. What does he really bring to the team???

[jg13]

Originally Posted by UKflames

I only managed to watch the first two periods but woke to find that we had still got the win and a shutout to boot, good job Ramo. They seemed to have the right idea of how to get out of this scoring slump, just throw everything at the net and try not to be too flashy. Really love backlunds game right now, turning into a great player and deserved that A last night.

One down point for me is Westgarth. He has to be the worst skater in the world, my gran could beat him in a puck race and she is no longer with us. What does he really bring to the team???

truculence

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Cause, you know, deliberately trying to lose is the best way to learn how to win.

Luckily for the rest of us, the Flames have more self-respect than you ever will.

Did I say they should try to lose? I said wins are counterproductive at this point and they are. I didn't say they should try to tank or try any less than normal so don't twist my words and do t ever question my self-respect you ignorant Shane O'Brian.

[FBI]

Big positive: young guys playing the best on the team.
Negative: veterans getting more and more useless. Stempniaks play is PAINFUL.

I am so impatient to ditch the vets. Seems like we didn't even miss Cammy much, he has been pretty crappy lately.

[Gary83]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Did I say they should try to lose? I said wins are counterproductive at this point and they are. I didn't say they should try to tank or try any less than normal so don't twist my words and do t ever question my self-respect you ignorant Shane O'Brian.

The jimmies are rustled.

[stone hands]

if winning NHL hockey games is counter productive, then cheer for the oilers

after the last ew weeks this game was a breath of fresh air. this roster is bad, enjoy the wins because we aren't going to be getting many the 2nd half

[formulate]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Did I say they should try to lose? I said wins are counterproductive at this point and they are. I didn't say they should try to tank or try any less than normal so don't twist my words and do t ever question my self-respect you ignorant Shane O'Brian.

By winning a few games here and there, perhaps the team moves up a spot or two and one player (the draft pick) could be marginally reduced in talent.

By not winning a few games here and there, you risk 'Oiler syndrome'; a group of players getting used to losing. Consistently playing on a bad team of any kind, you start to develop almost a numbness; the losses hurt less and less. Though I can't say for sure it happens at the top level, it has certainly happened to me, and our friends up North are sure looking like a good example.

This sort of effect could put a damper on some of the young players developing on the Flames. Who would you rather affect? One future draft pick (who could end up being better than the pick a couple spots up)? Or the x number of players on the roster already? Not to mention the potential effects on potential FA's, staff and fans.

Wins most certainly are productive, at least in my not-so-humble opinion.

[Lanny_McDonald]

The only way winning has any value at the moment is if the kids are the ones contributing. If Hartley continues to ride the veterans and not provide opportunity to the kids to learn and contribute, then the wins really are meaningless. I'll echo the sentiment that I'm getting impatient at the vets sticking around and no trades having been made, so the kids can have a bigger role on the team and have greater learning opportunities.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Did I say they should try to lose? I said wins are counterproductive at this point and they are. I didn't say they should try to tank or try any less than normal so don't twist my words and do t ever question my self-respect you ignorant Shane O'Brian.

I am not questioning your lack of self-respect, because I don't feel the issue is in doubt.

If you don't think wins are a good thing (i.e.: they are "counterproductive"), then you wan the team to lose. If you want the team to lose, you want them to tank.

You didn't say these things outright, I agree. You merely implied them. Don't get pissy at me because I followed your train of thought to its station.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by New Era

The only way winning has any value at the moment is if the kids are the ones contributing. If Hartley continues to ride the veterans and not provide opportunity to the kids to learn and contribute, then the wins really are meaningless. I'll echo the sentiment that I'm getting impatient at the vets sticking around and no trades having been made, so the kids can have a bigger role on the team and have greater learning opportunities.

One of the best way to learn is to emulate the success of others. We need our vets to lead the way every bit as much as we need the kids to succeed. A victory led by the veterans is every bit as useful to us as one led by the likes of Ramo, Backlund and Monahan.

As for being impatient at the lack of trades to this point, you really shouldn't be surprised. Many teams are capped out right now. You won't see many deals until the trade deadline.

[Trailer Fire]

Only caught the last period, but it was a doozey. I need to rig myself up a new Sean Monahan picture. Don't want Ermahgerd to get too over used.

Also, Backlund is a beast and I really hope he doesn't get traded.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Will Monahan hit 20 goals?

[FakenHaken]

I think so yes. I think 22 goals one short of his jersey number.