I'm not saying you're wrong in thinking any of this, but how does Colborne not belong in the NHL? And how are Cammy and Wideman below average NHLers? Is there any methodology to this or is it a matter of opinion?
It is definetely my opinion i would be happy to hear someone elses opinion as it could just be my bias showing and a lack of patience with the rebuild.
Colborne does not produce much offence except on breakaways or when he is given tons of room; his ceiling is a 4th line center with his level of offence. He is average on faceoffs 48% and does not play much penalty kill; not much of a defensive center so i do not see what position he fills on a half decent team.
Cammaleri and Wideman require someone else to do the heavy lifting on their line at even strength and only pull their weight when played as powerplay specialists. Ideally they would be played as third line/pairing at even strength. I place the most importance on even strength play as that is what matters the most in the playoffs just look at the capitals for proof or last years blackhawks or bruins who had a 19th and 26th ranked powerplay. Wideman is terrible defensively i don't think anyone could argue against that. Cammaleri tries hard but he is tiny and does not provide much on the defensive side of the puck which i will pull some stats for if you would like but i think that should be evident just from watching him play.
Wrong. Not to say they only look at the last few games but trends are huge. Players who are trending down would not net you an otherwise equivalent forward of similar age and repertoire on an upswing. If Cammy had 10 more goals this season and was the flagship to a very mediocre Flames team, do you not think other contenders would see that?
Sure. But if he had 10 more goals he'd be tied for 6th in goal scoring in the entire NHL. If he had 10 more goals in his 33 games he'd be right up there with Ove for one of the top 2 goal scoring paces in the NHL. That isn't realistic at all.
Its not like he s having a terrible year. He's missed games. If you prorate his goal scoring pace it would be 29 goals in an 82 game season. He's haqving a pretty average year for him. So no, his recent form this season shouldn't mean he's any less or more valuable than he usually would be.
Cammaleri and Wideman require someone else to do the heavy lifting on their line at even strength and only pull their weight when played as powerplay specialists. Ideally they would be played as third line/pairing at even strength.
Cammalleri ideal on the 3rd line? LOL!
Wow, interesting perspective. I don't think you'll find many people that agree with you on that. Cammalleri is a top two line player only IMO. He doesn't have the defensive play, board play, etc to be an ideal bottom two line player.
You have some very unorthodox or perhaps crazy ideas about what places are ideal for players. The only team that has Cammalleri as an ideal 3rd liner is an all star team.
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CGY can't generate any offence out of the neutral zone.
If they'd take Stempniak the hell off the top line and put Byron there, we'd at least have one line that can do something. Backlund is trying, and Hudler has regressed somewhat, but Lee is just killing that entire line.
Hell, put Westgarth there. Anyone is better than Stempniak.
Everyone needs to chill out. This is what rebuilding looks like. We knew it was going to be painful. Do changes need to be made? Hell yes. Are they going to fix things overnight? No. Time is needed and the fans need to show some patience.
The biggest problem I see is that the coaching staff have instituted one of the dumbest systems I've ever seen on NHL ice. The Hail Mary stretch pass out of the defensive zone is over used. The drop passes to enter the zones has become predictable. The chasing guys around in the defensive zone is crazy. These appear to be tricks Hartley picked up in the Swiss league, but man, they have to go. They are worse than third rate junior hockey tactics. They are down right embarrassing to watch. Hartley needs to go and real NHL coach with an eye for player development needs to be brought in. Someone who also understands how to put his players in positions to succeed and also pump the tires of the players the team is trying to move.
Fans need to recognize this rebuild is going to happen with several waves. There will be an exchange of vets for young guys. The UFAs will leave and young guys will step in. The holes will be filled through free agency. We just have to wait for the waves to come in. Cammalleri, Stajan, Stempniak, Westgarth, B. Jones, Russell, Butler and Smith will all be gone by season's end. Hopefully Burke does his job well and turns several of those players into draft picks and young players. I hope he targets a couple of good young defensemen and comes away with a solid player or two for the future.
Back filling those departing veterans will be Reinhart, Knight, Hanowski, Granlund, Ramage and Wotherspoon. If they can get their injury issues under control I think Sieloff and Ferland could find their way into the mix as well. That is a substantial potential change in personnel, just in year one.
This is also not taking into account the following wave of talent arriving in the spring. We can also expect to see Arnold, Agostino, Gaudreau and Gillies come out of college. The fall will also offer opportunity for Poirier, Klimchuk and Kanzig to show where they stand in their development. They are likely the next wave and still a full year away from joining the Heat or the Flames. This does not include in the mix Jankowski, our draft pick this summer, or any of the prospects Burke manages to pry away from other teams at the trade deadline.
Everyone needs to pick their heads up. The team is really bad right now, but it is honestly a result of the crappy veteran core that still remains. I think the final questionable limbs are about to be trimmed from the tree this spring and the team will be refreshed. It will remain a work in progress but it will be vastly improved talent wise and be a much harder team to play against. But only if we tie a can to Hartley first.
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This thread is terrible. Seriously guys, let's get our s%*t together.
Someone post a picture of penalty box girl or you're all dead to me. How can this not have happened yet?
Oh right, the actual game. Didn't see much, didn't look like I missed much according to the SC highlights. But clearly, they missed the bigger story (stories?).
The best part for me was nailing my PVR timing so I didn't have to listen to any of the Sportsnet monkeys or Francis and his ridiculous suits during the intermissions.
The Offense dies at the breakout. With Russell out and Wideman handling it like grenade (understandable) 4 of the 6 Dmen always make the safe play and chip it out off the boards. Opposing teams just have to put a man on Brodie or Gio and they can kill any offense before it starts. Watch how many times they have to flip it out or try a long, low percentage pass. Flames have had maybe 4 odd man rushes in the last 4 games.
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Weren't we warned about this at the start of the year? It's gonna take a few years. Don't panic....this is how it works....unless you wanna go back to finishing 9th or 10th in the conference for five years and get crappy picks year after year and fire coach after coach.
This thread is terrible. Seriously guys, let's get our s%*t together.
Someone post a picture of penalty box girl or you're all dead to me. How can this not have happened yet?
Oh right, the actual game. Didn't see much, didn't look like I missed much according to the SC highlights. But clearly, they missed the bigger story (stories?).
She has been vastly overrated, don't worry champ.
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After some early season hiccups, good to see both goalies playing well. Another strong game for Ramo. Berra has looked good in recent games too. Going into this season, I never would have thought goaltending would be a bright spot
With the exception of Gio and Hudler, none of the older veterans seem to give a crap. At this point, trading Stajan, Stempniak, Cammy, Wideman, or Jones would be addition by subtraction. Say what you will about the younger players, at least they put in an honest effort.
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The only thing I enjoyed was looking at the hot chick behind the Flames penalty box.
Look at my boobies! Yeah that was pretty funny.
Now that games really matter, as playoff contenders really take shape, you start to see how bad the bad teams really are. Good teams can't afford to give up what are basically gimme points against Calgary.
It's the sort of thing that Calgary failed miserably at when they were good, often losing games to inferior opponents - lost points that would haunt them come playoff time.
Even with lots of penalties, TB played a strong controlled game. It was never as close as the 1-0 or 2-0 score suggested. Almost all the flames chances were taken far from the net, they were never going to trouble bishop.
