Sorry no pics... It's glacier white, chrome package, 20 inch alloy, no leather though. For $35,000 i couldn't go wrong. I called 3 dealerships with one VIN number and let them battle it out for that package. Sticker price was $51400.
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We test drove a 2DR heap Rubicon a couple years back because my wife wanted one. After struggling to merge with the 3.8L minivan motor and experiencing the amazing ride and handling we said forget it. The two door was such a slug I can't imagine how anyone could drive the Unlimited. One of the great automotive mysteries to me is why they retain their value better than any other domestic.
Wranglers are a true 4x4, there's nothing even close when it comes to off-the-shelf off road performance and the aftermarket support is second to non so those that use them for their intended purpose really like them.
Those that buy them as mall cruisers/grocery getters tend to hate them.
The new 3.6 Pentastar engine is also putting 285hp/260tq, so 2012 and later are totally different beasts than the previous gen.
I explored the aftermarket options when looking into them, but because of the death wobble problems I wouldn't even think about lifting them without dropping a lot of money on suspension upgrades.
I have an '04 Tacoma, Double Cab with 4x4 (so very similar to J Diddy's other than 4x4) and I can see how it would be difficult to drive in winter. The difference when I change into 4wd is astonishing. You won't miss any more advances. You will feel you front pulling you out of/over snow drifts. The back end is much more stable.
Growing up my father's pick ups were only ever 2wd and in the winter he would always keep loaded with something (usually firewood) to keep a bunch of weight on the rear axle.
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I explored the aftermarket options when looking into them, but because of the death wobble problems I wouldn't even think about lifting them without dropping a lot of money on suspension upgrades.
I don't know if that's an internet over-reaction thing or not, but I'm on my fourth Wrangler now (CJ, TJ, YJ & JKU). All of them, including the '13 unlimited, have been lifted a minimum of 3.5" and I haven't noticed anything that isn't there with any old tech solid axle type suspensions. The newest is definitely not a cheapo lift, though, so maybe that's why I haven't had any issues. It's never going to handle or ride like a Porsche.
I don't know anything about trucks and I drive one...kinda. I have a 2001 Tacoma PreRunner double cab WITHOUT 4x4 (basically a raised car) and it is a death trap in the winter time. A combination of rear wheel drive and being very light makes it very hard to drive in slippery conditions. Yes I am that guy that can't make the advanced green because I can't get traction. Yes I have good tires.
I'm a cautious driver, I don't speed, and I have done winter driving courses through work for many years and I am terrified to drive this thing during the winter. I don't want to be terrified anymore.
Other than it being terrible in the winter I love it and want to buy another one soon. I am seeing a lot of recommendations for Tacomas in here. Are the newer Tacomas better in the winter than my old PreRunner? Are they heavier or is it the 4WD that makes the difference? Remember I drive a truck but don't know anything about them...why aren't those who are recommending the Tacoma for winter driving having the same issues I am?
If you are driving a 2WD truck in winter, you need to put 200-300 lbs in your box to get any traction.
Wranglers are a true 4x4, there's nothing even close when it comes to off-the-shelf off road performance and the aftermarket support is second to non so those that use them for their intended purpose really like them.
Those that buy them as mall cruisers/grocery getters tend to hate them.
The new 3.6 Pentastar engine is also putting 285hp/260tq, so 2012 and later are totally different beasts than the previous gen.
nothing even close? I would take an 'off the shelf' ford Raptor anyday.....
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So would I, if I lived somewhere with dunes or was into high speed desert runs...
Wrangler has a 38" shorter wheelbase and 12" narrower overall width, apples vs oranges.
offroad is offroad - I think the comparison is pretty valid - Jeeps are a great vehicle for what they are meant for, no doubt about it - having pulled wrench professionally in a 4x4 shop for years, I have seen my fair share of jeeps, fords, chevs, dodges and taco's with holes where there shouldnt be...Actually my two favourite vehicles that I have owned were a '77 Bronco and a 75 CJ-5 - the 75's were the last year of the D44 rear diff, tough as nails, and a chev 350 fits great between the frame rails :-) - the old Bronc's were about the most complete 4x4 ever made - wish I never sold that one
I hope the OP finds his truck, each manufacturer has its strong and weak points, there is no perfect choice - have fun looking
'75 CJ-5 was actually the Jeep my dad brought home when I just a wee one and what introduced me to wheeling, my first was my favorite, a '76 cj7 with a 327 in it. Always been a fan of the old Bronco's, too. Agree to disagree on the Raptor, it is sick (and probably the better choice for the original question ), but it is still a full size truck so I'm sticking with the Rubicon all things considered. Cheers.
Old bronco being bronco 1 or 2? Actually, doing a quick google image search I don't think I'm asking the correct question.
I always liked the full size ones that were like the full size convertible blazers from the 80's. Those were awesome. I always wanted to buy one, the bronco or blazer.
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I'm in a 2006 RWD Tacoma, and can echo the previous posters' ails about the horrors of slippery roads with this arrangement. I have capable winter tires with studs in them, but was a little slow to get them on this year and spent the few days surrounding the blizzard sliding sideways and backwards on rock-hard, useless all-seasons with no weight in the back.
However, I've had the winters on the past couple of days and the difference has been astonishing (I always had them on early in previous winters and never really had a chance to contrast them to the all-seasons on bad roads). I still don't have any weight in the back but the studs seem to grab onto pretty much anything, and I never seem to lose the back end. You still spin the odd tire, but as long as you somewhat know what you're doing and are aware of the limits, it's serviceable.
I'd obviously prefer a 4x4, but there was a pretty good deal on the table when I bought this truck, and outside of the sub-optimal winter performance of the RWD at times, I love the truck. My next vehicle will likely be a 4x4 Tacoma, though I'm hoping with the 2015 or 2016 models that advances are made in the fuel efficiency department, as the full-size engines certainly seem to have caught up/surpassed the mid-sized trucks in the past decade.
Just picked up a 2013 F150 Crew Cab XLT with $8000 in options for $35,000!
LOVE IT!
Can I see the build sheet on that? and what dealer?
Edit: I should have continued reading....
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Sorry no pics... It's glacier white, chrome package, 20 inch alloy, no leather though. For $35,000 i couldn't go wrong. I called 3 dealerships with one VIN number and let them battle it out for that package. Sticker price was $51400.
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Old bronco being bronco 1 or 2? Actually, doing a quick google image search I don't think I'm asking the correct question.
I always liked the full size ones that were like the full size convertible blazers from the 80's. Those were awesome. I always wanted to buy one, the bronco or blazer.
The original bronco's - last year for these was 1977 - very jeep like - pretty much the most complete 4x4 made -
), but it is still a full size truck so I'm sticking with the Rubicon all things considered. Cheers.
