Justin Trudeau says marijuana should be legalized

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by SebC

If Smith's has regressed to prohibitionist thinking, I'll retract my endorsement of her position on this issue. Usually people advance with society though.

Except she has become the leader of the most conservative party in Alberta, so there is a chance her public position will change.

I don't really think it will, given the libertarian leanings she has displayed so far, but I wouldn't rule it out either.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

When you look at Harper's position on many topics, he "flip-flopped" quite a bit from the time he was forming the Reform Party. If 1980s Harper could see himself now, he would probably be ashamed.

With Harper though, he never really articulated that his ideas have changed, but rather, he seems to have sacrificed them in order to move himself into a higher paid position. He's a political sellout. Granted, he would never have been elected if he didn't, but I would rather he have the courage of his convictions.

But I do think that Harper and Trudeau have more in common than people think. They both know that they are trying to win a popularity contest and will say whatever they think they need to in order to win. It's difficult to know where any politician truly stands. You can't believe any of them as they are all liars.

See, I want to agree with you because I dislike Harper, but I also look back at things I said and did years ago and I know my thoughts have changed. Did I flip-flop? I don't think so, but I definitely wouldn't endorse everything that 20yr old Slava would've stood for either. Positions I'd have argued for/against then might see me on the other side today.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Except she has become the leader of the most conservative party in Alberta, so there is a chance her public position will change.

I don't really think it will, given the libertarian leanings she has displayed so far, but I wouldn't rule it out either.

Did the Wildrose fall apart? Or is Libertarianism considered liberal now because they only hate poor people, regardless of race?

[Voodooman]

Redford saying that pot is a gateway drug makes her seem as stupid as she looks....which is really saying something, as she looks dumber than a bag of hair.

To quote Denis Leary, "They say marijuana leads to other drugs. No, it leads to f'ing carpentry". Or the great Walter White, "Smoking marijuana, eating Cheetos and masturbating do not constitute "plans" in my book".

It's not a gateway to anything but listening to Phish. Now while I think that should be illegal, there's no way pot should be.

Legalize it, tax it.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Did the Wildrose fall apart? Or is Libertarianism considered liberal now because they only hate poor people, regardless of race?

Maybe it is the lack of caffeine, but I have no idea what you mean by this.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Did the Wildrose fall apart? Or is Libertarianism considered liberal now because they only hate poor people, regardless of race?

Libertarianism is liberal in the "liberty" sense, not the political leaning sense. However, modern libertarianism definitely has corporate leanings and has been #######ized.

[Teh_Bandwagoner]

Originally Posted by OffsideSpecialist

In addition to that, it's a gateway to relationships with unsavoury characters. Buddy gives his friend some pot, friend likes it so then buddy gives him the contact info of his dealer. Friend then decides to buy some pot from the dealer. After a while, the dealer would probably try to sell him on harder stuff.

Edit: Oh, I see that's exactly what Vulcan said pretty much.

How dare you call Crackhead Boo Boo "unsavoury"!

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

nor has he brought the country down economically.

Well not yet anyways. He seems to be trying pretty hard.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Well not yet anyways. He seems to be trying pretty hard.

And despite all the Liberal propoganda it hasn't happened.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

And despite all the Liberal propoganda it hasn't happened.

From who exactly? That well know Liberal propaganda machine, the IMF?

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by rubecube

From who exactly? That well know Liberal propaganda machine, the IMF?

No dude, he means reality, you know with it's well known liberal bias.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by SebC

If Smith's has regressed to prohibitionist thinking, I'll retract my endorsement of her position on this issue. Usually people advance with society though.

Her position is no comment.

Wildrose Leader Danielle Smith has twice refused interview requests from the Herald to discuss legal issues around pot and whether she has ever partaken.In the last week, Premier Alison Redford has rejected calls to loosen Canada’s marijuana laws and said she has never tried pot.

Both Liberal Leader Raj Sherman and NDP Leader Brian Mason said Friday they are in favour of decriminalization and both acknowledged using marijuana in the past.

But Smith’s press secretary, Vitor Marciano, said it’s a federal issue.

“We will not comment on it,” he said in an e-mail.

Wildrose’s silence on the issue is giving political fodder to the Progressive Conservative government.

Denis said Friday it is up to individual politicians whether they disclose their marijuana history — noting he’s never smoked it or tobacco because he is asthmatic — but Alberta’s justice minister doesn’t buy Smith’s rationale for not talking about cannabis laws.

While the Criminal Code is a federal responsibility, any change in policy would have a major impact on the province in areas such as law enforcement, corrections and health, he said.

“Ms. Smith comments on every issue and refuses to comment on this one?” Denis said. “It shows a lack of leadership on her part and the question I ask is, what is she hiding?”

Denis pointed out that Smith, as an editorial board columnist for the Herald a decade ago, supported decriminalization. He said Albertans need to know whether her position has changed or is the same.

Other Wildrose MLAs contacted Friday, Joe Anglin and Shayne Saskiw, also refused to comment on marijuana.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/po...630/story.html

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

When you look at Harper's position on many topics, he "flip-flopped" quite a bit from the time he was forming the Reform Party. If 1980s Harper could see himself now, he would probably be ashamed.

With Harper though, he never really articulated that his ideas have changed, but rather, he seems to have sacrificed them in order to move himself into a higher paid position. He's a political sellout. Granted, he would never have been elected if he didn't, but I would rather he have the courage of his convictions.

But I do think that Harper and Trudeau have more in common than people think. They both know that they are trying to win a popularity contest and will say whatever they think they need to in order to win. It's difficult to know where any politician truly stands. You can't believe any of them as they are all liars.

You should just swap out Harper for politician (or human) - We would be here all night if I had to list all the things that Obama, Trudeau, Clinton, Harper, GW, Martin ect... have flippy flopped on...heck I and as others have said have flippy flopped
on things throughout our lives. I guess this means that you don't flippy flop on things - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are still rad hey?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are still rad hey?

Absolutely.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Her position is no comment.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/po...630/story.html

To be fair, it's not her debate, so why bother?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

You should just swap out Harper for politician (or human) - We would be here all night if I had to list all the things that Obama, Trudeau, Clinton, Harper, GW, Martin ect... have flippy flopped on...heck I and as others have said have flippy flopped
on things throughout our lives. I guess this means that you don't flippy flop on things - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are still rad hey?

That was kind of my point. Why are people calling out Trudeau for changing his opinion? At least Trudeau is saying what his stance is. Harper just stopped talking the talk once he was in the running for PM. It seems like he more or less just pushed aside his convictions in order to get the job.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

That was kind of my point. Why are people calling out Trudeau for changing his opinion? At least Trudeau is saying what his stance is. Harper just stopped talking the talk once he was in the running for PM. It seems like he more or less just pushed aside his convictions in order to get the job.

It's dumb, everyone does it - things change - Harper may have stopped talking but the actions of his government - popular or not have not. Harper has been accused in the past of not standing up for LGBT rights - but when his government comes out and condemns Russia - you know where he stands now.

[Daradon]

^^^ I have to say for people who thought he was going to push conservatism or religion there, he has been very equal rights on that one. A little surprised myself. Though I was never the one to accuse him of wanting to roll back gay or abortion rights. That stuff was liberal fearmongering.

Although, his record on environmentalism, science, transparency (his big promise), speaks for itself.

[Devils'Advocate]

Well, that's mostly been John Baird, not Harper. And John is a bachelor that hangs out with mostly men. In the political circles here it is referred to as "being in the glass closet". He has done a LOT for advancing gay rights in Canada and has been in several pride parades.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

That was kind of my point. Why are people calling out Trudeau for changing his opinion? At least Trudeau is saying what his stance is. Harper just stopped talking the talk once he was in the running for PM. It seems like he more or less just pushed aside his convictions in order to get the job.

Harper does seem like more of a sell-out that someone who has personally evolved. I mean, what kind conservative massively increases pre-recession spending? What kind of economist thinks cutting GST is a good idea?