Top 25 UFA's still available

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Why is Brunner still an FA? He was all that Detroit and fans talked about last season (chemistry with Zetterberg, etc). Likely that Brunner wants to go back with Detroit.And they don't have Nyquist signed either. I can't see Cleary not returning there either. Obviously there is a cap space issue.

It all kind of adds up to waiting on a trade to free up room. Could be one of those "take my festering turd of a contract and I'll throw in some value" type trades finally.

Would love to see Brendan Smith here even if it means taking on Samuellson or Quincey.

That's why Holland is sitting where he is. He's trying to dump bad contracts like Tootoo on other teams and expecting a draft pick in return. He doesn't realize that there are Tootoo comparables in the market unsigned that don't cost teams a pick or that kind of salary.

Holland will have to bury players in the minors if he keeps this up and hope for cap savings that way. Granted if Detroit was my team I'd applaud him for sticking to his guns but he can't expect other GMs to take on bad deals out of the goodness of their hearts, it's a blood sport.

[UKflames]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

That's why Holland is sitting where he is. He's trying to dump bad contracts like Tootoo on other teams and expecting a draft pick in return. He doesn't realize that there are Tootoo comparables in the market unsigned that don't cost teams a pick or that kind of salary.

Holland will have to bury players in the minors if he keeps this up and hope for cap savings that way. Granted if Detroit was my team I'd applaud him for sticking to his guns but he can't expect other GMs to take on bad deals out of the goodness of their hearts, it's a blood sport.

Doesn't the new CBA stop that sort of thing????

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

That's why Holland is sitting where he is. He's trying to dump bad contracts like Tootoo on other teams and expecting a draft pick in return. He doesn't realize that there are Tootoo comparables in the market unsigned that don't cost teams a pick or that kind of salary.

Holland will have to bury players in the minors if he keeps this up and hope for cap savings that way. Granted if Detroit was my team I'd applaud him for sticking to his guns but he can't expect other GMs to take on bad deals out of the goodness of their hearts, it's a blood sport.

Really?

Ken freaking Holland doesn't understand the NHL marketplace?

Sorry...but that is assinine.

[sureLoss]

Canucks looking at Douglas Murray:
http://blogs.theprovince.com/2013/08...ost=v2#content

[cowtown75]

^^

That's too bad, I was hoping the Flames would give him a look- he's a hard hitter.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Really?

Ken freaking Holland doesn't understand the NHL marketplace?

Sorry...but that is assinine.

What is asinine is that Holland continues to think that teams will willingly give up tangible assets in draft picks for players who have bad contracts. What GM in their right mind would take on Tootoo at that horrible, inflated contract. If anything, Holland should be adding a pick to that player in order for teams to take him on. He's trying to get something of value for a negative asset, not going to fly in this market. Either give an asset up that is of value, or be prepared to bury up to 900K of that contract in the minors.

Never said that Ken Holland doesn't understand the NHL marketplace, that's your interpretation of my message, not my intent. Always viewed you as one of the more reasonable posters on this board, really surprised at your strong response.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

What is asinine is that Holland continues to think that teams will willingly give up tangible assets in draft picks for players who have bad contracts. What GM in their right mind would take on Tootoo at that horrible, inflated contract. If anything, Holland should be adding a pick to that player in order for teams to take him on. He's trying to get something of value for a negative asset, not going to fly in this market. Either give an asset up that is of value, or be prepared to bury up to 900K of that contract in the minors.

Never said that Ken Holland doesn't understand the NHL marketplace, that's your interpretation of my message, not my intent. Always viewed you as one of the more reasonable posters on this board, really surprised at your strong response.

What has you think Holland is trying to do anything you've suggested here? Link?

[Meers]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

^^

That's too bad, I was hoping the Flames would give him a look- he's a hard hitter.

He's also been one of the worst possession players in the League for a couple of years.

Pass on him.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

What is asinine is that Holland continues to think that teams will willingly give up tangible assets in draft picks for players who have bad contracts. What GM in their right mind would take on Tootoo at that horrible, inflated contract. If anything, Holland should be adding a pick to that player in order for teams to take him on. He's trying to get something of value for a negative asset, not going to fly in this market. Either give an asset up that is of value, or be prepared to bury up to 900K of that contract in the minors.

Never said that Ken Holland doesn't understand the NHL marketplace, that's your interpretation of my message, not my intent. Always viewed you as one of the more reasonable posters on this board, really surprised at your strong response.

Or, you know, he might be a guy that doesn't feel like he needs to rush moves, and thinks that if he's patient the right move will come along.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

What GM in their right mind would take on Tootoo at that horrible, inflated contract.

If MacTavish could convince someone to give up something of even nominal value for the piece of stink that was Horcoff's contract then anything is possible.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by UKflames

Doesn't the new CBA stop that sort of thing????

Yes and no. You can bury to to 900k per player in the minors. They can bury Cory Emmerton who makes 533k and I wont count against cap. However, if they demote Patrick Eaves who makes 1.2M 900k can be buried but 300k counts against cap.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Parallex

If MacTavish could convince someone to give up something of even nominal value for the piece of stink that was Horcoff's contract then anything is possible.

Horcoff still hold value as a 3rd line C whereas Tootoo is an overpaid gritty 4th liner. Teams can go to ufa market and find that player at a much lower rate. You could probably get Brendan Morrow at the same salary that Tootoo makes, i know who I'd rather want on my team.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

What has you think Holland is trying to do anything you've suggested here? Link?

Here are links:

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index....usiness_t.html

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index....move_forw.html

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Holland has been trying to swing a trade since before the June 30 entry draft but hasn't had any luck. Jordin Tootoo and Patrick Eaves appear to be the most viable trade candidates since veterans Mikael Samuelsson and Todd Bertuzzi have little trade value coming off injury-plagued seasons (each also has a no-trade clause). Not knowing Helm's status, the club might be reluctant to part with center Cory Emmerton.
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The Detroit Red Wings have had discussions with the Nashville Predators about sending forward Jordin Tootoo back to the organization that drafted and developed him, according to a source.
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[David Struch]

Flames currently have over $15 million in cap space..

Cammalleri (6) Backlund (1.5) Jones (4)
Hudler (4) Stajan (3.5) Stempniak (2.5)
Baertschi (1.4) Galiardi (1.25) Glencross (2.55)
Jackman (.612) Mcgrattan (.75)

Giordano (4.02) Wideman (5.25)
Brodie (2.125) Russell (1.5)
O'Brien (2) Butler (1.7)
Smith (.775)

Ramo (2.75)
McDonald (.925)

Total Cap Hit: $49.107 (20 man roster)

[Jebus]

^ missing a couple forwards no?

Horak, bouma, hanowski, etc to fill those spots. Not pricey, but dents the $15M

[CalgaryFan1988]

^^^ once you add in the two missing forwards (Jones, Horak, Monahan, Knight???) It will be closer to 12-13 million. I'm still hoping someone takes Jackman.

Jebus, he beat me to it!

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Jebus

^ missing a couple forwards no?

I'd guess Knight and Bouma. Although maybe B. Jones if they don't want to put his 1-way in the AHL and whatever issue caused him to be in Hartley's doghouse is resolved.

[FlamesAddiction]

Having a lot of cap space is really only an advantage when other teams don't, and right now, there are still a lot of teams with cap space.

Has Kiprusoff even announced his retirement yet? I am starting to wonder if we can really count out his cap hit or not. I would not be shocked if he ends up reporting to camp.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Having a lot of cap space is really only an advantage when other teams don't, and right now, there are still a lot of teams with cap space.

Has Kiprusoff even announced his retirement yet? I am starting to wonder if we can really count out his cap hit or not. I would not be shocked if he ends up reporting to camp.

I'm wondering if Kipper pulls a Thomas, takes the year off and see's how he feels next year? I am not sure but i presume he could sign with whoever he wanted.

[jschick88]

@IgorEronko Belarus TV-channel ONT reports Mikhail Grabovski will sign contract with #Caps today