[News] Jay Feaster adddresses the media

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Where's your evidence that he's doing a bad job, other than he's not a "hockey guy"?

The ROR debacle, which wasn't entirely his fault?

The possible moving of the 3 1sts for #1 overall?

If you look at the actual transactions, they have been mostly positive. The drafting has improved significantly.

I don't understand what he did that was so bad to get all this hate.

Go to another thread where i have listed the many transactions that have not worked. Trust me when i say at best it ends up being 50-50 for good vs bad. That is not a good ratio for a GM. Don't get me wrong i dont expect him to be 100%.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Where's your evidence that he's doing a bad job, other than he's not a "hockey guy"?

The ROR debacle, which wasn't entirely his fault?

The possible moving of the 3 1sts for #1 overall?

If you look at the actual transactions, they have been mostly positive. The drafting has improved significantly.

I don't understand what he did that was so bad to get all this hate.

I don't give a frack if he is not a "hockey" guy - I am all for fat lawyers, such as myself, getting GM jobs - just don't let us down, brother.
ROR, Richards, Regehr, the two wasted trade deadlines, Jackman, Sarich, Babchuk, that stupid goon from NJ, "best goalie not in the NHL", Iginla's trade list, no centers (Cervenka as a C), Hartley... I am sure there is more stuff I forget... And by the way KK/Feaster is a package deal in this - both should have nothing to do with hockey operations. As to drafting, yeah, it looks better than the zero that preceded it, but let's wait for a Feaster drafted player to actually make the NHL first.

[Phanuthier]

Funny to see people whining about whining, and over reacting over other people over reacting.

IMO

[JiriHrdina]

Right so every time he opens his mouth we have to revisit the same things over and over again.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You are preaching to the choir as I firmly believe the Oilers and Flames are two of the three worst run organizations in the NHL.

I was agreeing with you.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by nik-

None of those posts you quoted are "freaking out". I'm not sure what you define as freaking out ... perhaps you equate fed up with freaking out?

Freak-out as per my dictionary is a "wildly irrational reaction or spell of behaviour".

I consider many of the reactions I quoted to a standard Feaster media availability to be wildly irrational reactions.

Why would you be fed up with a standard media availability? If you're fed up with Feaster and allowing that bias to make your response to a standard press conference wildly irrational then that is exactly what I'm talking about.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Does he not take a jab at the oilers every chance he gets? Thats not a freak out, thats just the reality of it.

You make it sound like a bad thing. I have no problem with pot shots at the Oilers or Nucks. Shouldn't our GM hate the teams we hate? To the same degree if not more?

I think the "freak out" implication is more to the reaction to his comments. Yes he made the comments. The argument is that it's not as big of a deal as many seem to think.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

You didn't get the "open for business" line that Lowe made famous on CP?

Plus i was not commenting just on this one media scrum. He has put down the oilers many, many, many times in the past. Its odd considering the flames are in no postion to be throwing rocks at glass houses.

Didn't realize there was such a mystique about a normal type of statement for a GM to make.

Betcha Holmgren is "open for business" right now isn't he? Sather? Rutherford? Yzerman? etc?

If a GM wasn't "open for business" that might be newsworthy. Feaster saying he's "open for business" is like me saying the sky is blue today. It deserves zero response IMO.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Freak-out as per my dictionary is a "wildly irrational reaction or spell of behaviour".

I consider many of the reactions I quoted to a standard Feaster media availability to be wildly irrational reactions.

Why would you be fed up with a standard media availability? If you're fed up with Feaster and allowing that bias to make your response to a standard press conference wildly irrational then that is exactly what I'm talking about.

I can only speak for me but I was neither freaking out nor being wildly irrational.

I believe that Feaster do would himself good by speaking a little less regarding his intentions.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Right so every time he opens his mouth we have to revisit the same things over and over again.

I don't think i have to tell you thats just the way it goes on CP.

When Butler is ridiculed it almost always goes back to Reggie trade.

When Stajan is mentioned it goes back to Dion trade.

When Feaster says something and a poster does not like it, the white nights appear and say Feaster has not really done anything wrong in his tenure or that what he has said is fine.

The only way not to revisit the same things is to have a site with only 4 members. Even then it would still go around in circles every other day.

[Phanuthier]

So now that we've got over what the dictionary defines as over reacting... back to the interview?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I can only speak for me but I was neither freaking out nor being wildly irrational.

I believe that Feaster do would himself good by speaking a little less regarding his intentions.

Boy you guys would hate most of the GM's in the league then. Poile has said they have Jones #1. Sakic has said they'll take MacKinnon. They should bloody shut their mouths shouldn't they?

Do you care to explain how his opening his mouth and answering some reporter's questions negatively affects the Flames? Bogus claim so far IMO and worthy of being dismissed as wildly irrational.

Telling a GM he should shut up when he's doing a standard media availability is completely irrational. It's part of his job to answer media questions and furthermore they are doing this media specifically for hardcore fans like us.

Fans want to know what's going on with the Flames. Feaster is fairly open and honest. Everybody tells him to not say anything. You can't have it both ways. Clearly some posters want total silence. And even then you know they'd be whining about Feaster not doing anything lol. It is comical what some of you expect of Feaster.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Go to another thread where i have listed the many transactions that have not worked. Trust me when i say at best it ends up being 50-50 for good vs bad. That is not a good ratio for a GM. Don't get me wrong i dont expect him to be 100%.

A lot of the time though, the transactions that were not optimal were ones where he kept players instead of letting them go and getting new people. That also has to do with not going into a rebuild until this season. He was trying to maintain the status quo as much as possible to be a playoff team with a team that was no where near good enough. That's where most of the mistakes that he's made as a GM have come from.

Since trying to add more youth and into the rebuild, he's pretty much hit on every transaction.

I have been one that has been extremely critical of moves that have been made over the years and have been hoping they'd rebuild for years (Basically since that 6-5 game against Chicago and follow up loss against Columbus back in 2009), but since going into the rebuild, he's been making a lot of good moves.

I just don't like when people nitpick and judge him based off a completely separate modus operandi, when he's now working off a different playbook entirely. He was bad at trying to make a playoff team from parts that were not good enough to get there on their own in the first place. Now that we are in a rebuild, you should look at moves that were made to further that objective. They have been mostly good with only the Tanguay trade being possibly questionable (although it was necessary for him to move)

If he starts making a series of stupid moves like getting 3 or 4 veteran forwards to go on the top lines, not allowing Sven, Backlund and #6 the opportunity to get proper ice time etc. then sure, I'll be just as frustrated, but he hasn't done things like that thus far. He seems to be facilitating the rebuild properly thus far even though it's only been 3 months.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I don't think i have to tell you thats just the way it goes on CP.

When Butler is ridiculed it almost always goes back to Reggie trade.

When Stajan is mentioned it goes back to Dion trade.

When Feaster says something and a poster does not like it, the white nights appear and say Feaster has not really done anything wrong in his tenure or that what he has said is fine.

The only way not to revisit the same things is to have a site with only 4 members. Even then it would still go around in circles every other day.

Oh no, Flames have a tradition. It was a good one and now its a bad one (more bad years than good). Teams have played in pro leagues for a hundred years and not won anything. Their communities are all about suffering together.

People making these connections is the only reason to even follow sports and come to a site like this and view all the banner ads.

If you are saying that, then I agree with you.

Flames are a mess, let's celebrate how messed up they are and stop fooling ourselves that the people in charge are going to make it better. Daryl's brief reign and the respectability it brought was just a blip in a long legacy of fail.

There is entertainment to be had here. Feaster is part of the show. Call him clown number one.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Interesting opinion. May I ask why? Do you think he will be traded as an asset or do you have the opinion that he will force the Flames hand in moving him much like Knight did to the Panthers? It's my belief that agents are starting to become very active in planting seeds as this is starting to become all the more common.

Pretty much. I think the Flames are at a crux. If Gaudreau was coming up on free agency this year, or last year, I think that he would easily turn down the Flames, and that will continue to be the case unless we are showing signs of starting to turn the corner.

We will 100% present Gaudreau with the opportunity to play, but I think he will want to be in a position to win. I am worried about the amount of time this team will be in a bad situation when it comes to an ability to win. Gaudreau would certainly help there, but we need to make sure that we have a decent building block in place for a team that can be successful in 3-5 years.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Funny to see people whining about whining, and over reacting over other people over reacting.

IMO

I know this is probably directed at me. I just get tired of the same stuff and nothing but pot shots being taken at the Flames management team. For better or worse, that's who's in charge. The only thing that the whining might accomplish is for the Flames to try and take shortcuts to appease those that are complaining most, which is really not good long term. It'll do nothing but blunt the chance we have to be a cup contender.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I know this is probably directed at me. I just get tired of the same stuff and nothing but pot shots being taken at the Flames management team. For better or worse, that's who's in charge. The only thing that the whining might accomplish is for the Flames to try and take shortcuts to appease those that are complaining most, which is really not good long term. It'll do nothing but blunt the chance we have to be a cup contender.

Not directed at you.

But don't be so sensitive. There are hundread thousands of people on CP, so you get a lot of opinions. Not all are the same. Some happy, some angry, some frustrated, some will defend every organization move, most don't give a crap. People find various ways of following their interest, and its how they choose to follow their entertainment. Some like to be critical, some optimize, some tinker, some dream, some just cheer with whatever move is made.

Again, we are all Flames fans... everyone finds different avenues of being a fan. For you, you can either disagree and be frustrated, or disagree but realize there are other people who have different opinions and CP is just a message board for a hobby we follow in our free time. Why get so frustrated?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Pretty much. I think the Flames are at a crux. If Gaudreau was coming up on free agency this year, or last year, I think that he would easily turn down the Flames, and that will continue to be the case unless we are showing signs of starting to turn the corner.

We will 100% present Gaudreau with the opportunity to play, but I think he will want to be in a position to win. I am worried about the amount of time this team will be in a bad situation when it comes to an ability to win. Gaudreau would certainly help there, but we need to make sure that we have a decent building block in place for a team that can be successful in 3-5 years.

You know what young players want? An opportunity to play and to contribute. They don't want to go to a team where you'll be stuck in the minors behind some journeyman that has little to offer other than being an NHL name. Kids want to play in the NHL, learn in the NHL and help whatever team they are on be better. All this winning garbage is just that. These kids believe they can be a difference maker and they just want a chance to show it. Playing behind a bunch of veterans means not getting opportunity. The Flames can provide that opportunity and young players are happy to take it. That is why Schultz went to Edmonton. They were willing to give him top four ice time and let him play. Anaheim wasn't, so Schultz is an Oiler. Unless the Flames completely turn not a gong show, Gaudreau will be here and be a big part of our future because we can afford him opportunity to play.

[robaur]

Erick Estrada has overtaken Moon.....simply amazing...keep it up!

I come on here to take a break from work, and its getting worse than teenage girls bickering at each other.

My better half does the same thing whenever I make a mistake...brings up a whole list of mistakes from past 5 years....now CP is becoming stomping grounds for that kind of nonsense?

[Tinordi]

She sounds like your worse half