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[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

The contract is not bad at all. The only problem is this is probably the worst off season to try and trade $3.5 million without taking anything back. I just don't see anyway a team is going to give up a 2nd or 3rd for him this year. Maybe the flames want him gone so badly that he is traded for a 6th or 7th.

As an example, the Canes need to cut salary somewhere. Tanguay and a 3rd for Ruutu and a 2nd gets them a cheaper player who could produce with their upper end guys.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Ring of Fire

They won't even have enough cap space to put a top-3 pick into the line-up next year as with bonuses top-3 picks are around $3.75 million cap hit. Tampa will for sure need to move money or buy someone out.

I don't know about Lecavalier, but wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Flames pick up Malone in a salary dump. Might even get a pick out of it.

Originally Posted by da_nige

Assuming 34 retires Ramo, Berra and MacDonald are competing for 2 places. By saying he hopes Ortio is the starter in Abby that implies to me that MacDonald was signed as a "just in case" therefore implying he doesn't have a lot of confidence in the guys he has traded for.

There's confidence, and then there's moon-faced hope. Ramo has 46 games of NHL experience. Berra has 0. You don't hand a couple guys like that the starter and backup positions, unless your goal is to lock in a lottery pick next year.

Originally Posted by kyuss275

The contract is not bad at all. The only problem is this is probably the worst off season to try and trade $3.5 million without taking anything back. I just don't see anyway a team is going to give up a 2nd or 3rd for him this year. Maybe the flames want him gone so badly that he is traded for a 6th or 7th.

The Flames will have to take back contract, or eat some of Tanguay's contract, if they want to move him.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

As an example, the Canes need to cut salary somewhere. Tanguay and a 3rd for Ruutu and a 2nd gets them a cheaper player who could produce with their upper end guys.

I would love that trade. I've always been a big fan of Ruutu, despite his many injury problems. He's big and plays with an edge.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

As an example, the Canes need to cut salary somewhere. Tanguay and a 3rd for Ruutu and a 2nd gets them a cheaper player who could produce with their upper end guys.

I could see something like that. My other post was made because i have seen a lot of posters saying they think Tanguay could get a 2nd round pick.

I like Ruutu but paying him $4.75 million until 2016 would hurt. I think he would be 34 by the time the contract ended. I doubt he would have much trade value for the last couple of seasons.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by getbak

Bonus dollars don't really count against the cap (they do, but you get cap cushion to cover the bonuses, so it cancels out), so they only need to have room for his guaranteed money, which will be less than $1M (I don't know what the rookie-max will be next year, but it was $925,000 this season).

I think you can overspend the bonus amounts and that comes out of your salary cap the next year. Ie if thy are at the cap (64M) and the bonus takes it to 67M they are okay this year but if the 2014-15 cap stays the same..... (a lot of the players share will be taken up with buy outs) then TB would have a cap of 61M.

Lecavalier needs to be bought out in the worst way.... the amnesty buyout seems to be designed specifically for him and Redden.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

As an example, the Canes need to cut salary somewhere. Tanguay and a 3rd for Ruutu and a 2nd gets them a cheaper player who could produce with their upper end guys.

makes sense .... Carolina must be fed up with Ruttu BUT they gave him a NMC in his contract..... He is liable to be their amnesty buyout and become a UFA.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

One other thing I found interesting was talking about the Iginla trade.

The day of the trade Feaster, King, ownership tried to sell Iggy on Boston. They worked extremely hard to get him to waive for the Bruins. Iggy stated he would never forgive himself if the Pens won the cup and they were his choice.

I think the Flames handled the whole situation with class and Jarome had the right to use his NMC but I can't help but feel slightly bitter. I was all in on Pitt but wouldn't mind Boston winning now after that development.

Well they have no option, if he wouldn't waive for Boston would they? I wouldn't say "class" is the right word here, but I'm glad Iginla got to go where he wanted to go. He really should have said the only team he would waive is for Boston though.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I could see something like that. My other post was made because i have seen a lot of posters saying they think Tanguay could get a 2nd round pick.

I like Ruutu but paying him $4.75 million until 2016 would hurt. I think he would be 34 by the time the contract ended. I doubt he would have much trade value for the last couple of seasons.

Tanguay is the Flames most likely amnesty buyout. Not even a Tanguay for Booth would work as it does not provide Vancouver with enough cap relief.

What team does anyone think would pick up Tanguay and his 3.5M for the next 3 years for a 7th round pick? If his biggest booster and Coach Hartley can not get him to play where the heck does he play.


Feaster making public that the Flames were upset with Tanguay is setting up the possibility and preparing the Fan-base for an amnesty buyout.

The team will be better off with Reinhart and/or Horak taking up Tanguay's minutes.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Tanguay is the Flames most likely amnesty buyout. Not even a Tanguay for Booth would work as it does not provide Vancouver with enough cap relief.

What team does anyone think would pick up Tanguay and his 3.5M for the next 3 years for a 7th round pick? If his biggest booster and Coach Hartley can not get him to play where the heck does he play.


Feaster making public that the Flames were upset with Tanguay is setting up the possibility and preparing the Fan-base for an amnesty buyout.

The team will be better off with Reinhart and/or Horak taking up Tanguay's minutes.

At last night's info session, Feaster made mention that right now there are no buyouts looming.

[Flash Walken]

Vancouver makes all sorts of sense as a landing pad for tanguay, won't happen though.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Tanguay is the Flames most likely amnesty buyout. Not even a Tanguay for Booth would work as it does not provide Vancouver with enough cap relief.

What team does anyone think would pick up Tanguay and his 3.5M for the next 3 years for a 7th round pick? If his biggest booster and Coach Hartley can not get him to play where the heck does he play.


Feaster making public that the Flames were upset with Tanguay is setting up the possibility and preparing the Fan-base for an amnesty buyout.

The team will be better off with Reinhart and/or Horak taking up Tanguay's minutes.

NM, ComixZone is on the case.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Well they have no option, if he wouldn't waive for Boston would they? I wouldn't say "class" is the right word here, but I'm glad Iginla got to go where he wanted to go. He really should have said the only team he would waive is for Boston though.

I think the flames could have handled things differently and made Iginla look like the bad guy to save face. The flames made it sound like they liked both deals but liked the Bruins deal slightly more. Last night it sounded like they liked the Briuns deal significantly more am spent the better part of a day trying to convince Iggy this was the best win-win move. They could have thrown Iggy under the bus blaming him to save face but they didn't. I am happy with the way the flames handled it

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

One other thing I found interesting was talking about the Iginla trade.

The day of the trade Feaster, King, ownership tried to sell Iggy on Boston. They worked extremely hard to get him to waive for the Bruins. Iggy stated he would never forgive himself if the Pens won the cup and they were his choice.

I think the Flames handled the whole situation with class and Jarome had the right to use his NMC but I can't help but feel slightly bitter. I was all in on Pitt but wouldn't mind Boston winning now after that development.

Just expanding on this post, the more I think about it, the more I have to question Feaster's attention to detail. So many mistakes the past year :
- Iginla - not clarifying that he will waive for all 4 teams
- ROR - knowing there could be interpretation to the rules and not clarifying
- Cervenka - can he actually play center?

If this is an issue, the Flames really have to know if Feaster is being meticulous about how he does his job (especially for a team with such limited assets) and not just a 9-to-5 guy.

[ricardodw]

No body asked Feaster what he thought about the Brad Richards contract?

The Rangers are almost forced into an amnesty buyout or have a lower cap in the future for a lot of seasons.

Are the Flames still interested in Brad Richards as a #1 centre?

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Just expanding on this post, the more I think about it, the more I have to question Feaster's attention to detail. So many mistakes the past year :
- Iginla - not clarifying that he will waive for all 4 teams
- ROR - knowing there could be interpretation to the rules and not clarifying
- Cervenka - can he actually play center?

If this is an issue, the Flames really have to know if Feaster is being meticulous about how he does his job (especially for a team with such limited assets) and not just a 9-to-5 guy.

Cervenka was also presented as a solid short player that wouldn't shy away from the heavier NHL bumping.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

It has nothing to do with feeling special at all. If it wasn't for the fact I'm doing the podcast thing I wouldn't even have bothered going because it's mostly standard stuff, which is what I reported on in the article. The behind the scenes stuff that was shared about various players is not the worst of the stuff I have heard over the years from various people that I know, but it's all stuff that doesn't really matter much. It's all high school gossip level bs. It's not important information at all in my opinion, so I didn't share it. If it was important behind the scenes stuff, I'm sure that it'd be either on Sportsnet or wouldn't be shared at all.

Nice assumption though.

Your words, not mine.

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I did leave some specifics out just because there was a lot of things that were said in confidence as they did not know that I would be there (they didn't think any media or amateur media in my case was there) so I tried to give the most important details without mentioning quite a bit of the behind the scenes stuff that they might not otherwise mentioned.

[Robbob]

For some reason I have a gut feeling now that Roy and Sakic are running Colorado, that Tanguay may have a place there. I think that maybe they will see him in a different light since they played with him...and besides 3.5 isn't that bad of a contract.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Vancouver makes all sorts of sense as a landing pad for tanguay, won't happen though.

Quebec is the perfect fit for him if PHO moves to QUE. He will want to play in his home-town, and they will want a local player to be the face of the team.

[Tinordi]

I predicted that the Flames were in good position to trade for junk assets and get some quality assets in the process.

Good to see Feaster agrees.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by getbak

Feaster confirmed that the kid they're taking out is European, but wouldn't for sure say it was Nichushkin, although, the guy asking the question was pushing in that direction. It could be Barkov or Lindholm. Based on how Feaster talked about Nichushkin later in the session, it didn't sound like they were too interested in him, so I could see the kid they're taking to dinner being one of the other Euros. We need spies scouring the Toronto restaurants tomorrow.

It was also interesting that he mentioned they're going to be bringing some of the kids to Calgary over the next few weeks to do some additional testing. Perhaps the kid they're taking to dinner won't be able to travel to Calgary, so they wanted to talk to him now (could be Barkov who isn't doing the physical testing because of his surgery).


Yes, I took it as a shot at Gillis. Gillis is the only GM I saw who said he knew about the waiver issue. There were also rumours right after the Flames signed the Offer Sheet that said Vancouver was also preparing an offer (which Gillis denied).

I thought it was interesting that Feaster mentioned that they had been in frequent contact with the League for clarifications about things in the MOU, including questions about a UFA player who had played in Europe after the start of the season who they knew would need to clear waivers. He also said they had spoken to the league about other aspects of the way they structured the O'Reilly offer, and no one ever brought up any concerns about the need for waivers on him.



Funny question at the end of the session. The guy asked if Feaster was happy when Erixon got traded to Columbus, and Feaster gave a very enthusiastic yes in response.

That was me haha.

I was very impressed with Feaster and King last night. Much more candid than last year, and they were willing to discuss quite a few things.

I'm nothing but excited for the draft right now. This will be as interesting an off-season as we're ever likely to see.