His god awful, clueless play in the neutral and offensive zone. His annoying I go to one knee and watch the other guy skate around me and weakly swing my stick go to defensive move in his own zone. His inability to hit the net at a level worse than what Phaneuf is supposed to be at. His butter soft play.
He brings nothing to the team and a million negatives.
Zyuzin and Eriksson are fine choices as well if you want to go that route have no problem if you choose them. Belak, as I said with goons, gets a pass because he isn't on the team to be a stud player but to fight and hit and he did that fine in my books.
I understand if you think Wideman is bad but to say he's arguably the worst player to ever wear a Flames jersey is ridiculous. He's good for 40+ points in 82 games as a defenseman. That puts him out of "worst player ever" contention. Think about Rocky Thompson and Sasha Lakovic who couldn't even skate at the pace of the game.
Wideman has the potential to go down as the worst signing in Flames history. Right now I'd go with Turek or Bouwmeester. But I could see the Wideman contract looking so bad the next GM has no choice but to buy it out.
A great Rocky Thompson Stu Grimson fight, when Rocky showed he could stand in with a league super heavyweight in his prime. I remember jumping up so excited that Rocky won the fight.
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I was going to post Fotiu with Thompson and Lakovic but I figured that few here saw those two play let alont Fotiu. He wasn't even good at being a goon and terrible at the game of hockey.
This might be the most uninformed post in a long time.
Nick Fotiu is still considered today to be one of the toughest players and best fighters to ever play hockey.
Even Dave Schultz - the lead goon in the Broadstreet Bullies - discloses in his book that Fotiu scared him.
Nick was such a skilled fighter that he would actually throw combination punches during his hockey fights, as opposed to grabbing on with one hand and stand back and fire.
My iPad is giving me grief, but youtube the Fotiu vs craig coxe fight from 1986. Nick cleans up on the canuck goon, starts with a left hook and follows it up with a right cross.
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Wideman has the potential to go down as the worst signing in Flames history. Right now I'd go with Turek or Bouwmeester. But I could see the Wideman contract looking so bad the next GM has no choice but to buy it out.
Turek's contract didn't really matter though. It was pre-cap so who cares what he got paid IMO. When the cap came into place, he was nice enough to re-structure his own contact to help the Flames sign Kiprusoff.
Hey, and doesn't Old "rubber pads" Turek still hold the record for longest shutout streak for the Flames?
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Punches Cab Driver on Phoenix road trip. best mug shot in Flames history too.
Good one. That was really embarrassing. I was really critical on Kane for that cabbie incident and then the next thing you know a guy on the Flames did pretty much the same thing.
I have to cast another vote for Rene Corbet. For everything that him coming here meant and the fact that it was right in the middle of the dark days and the non-playoff years.
Great article from Flamesnation sums it up pretty well.
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And as always just because I don't share the same opinion as you doesn't make it trolling.
No, what makes it trolling is that it is a ridiculous statement without any objective backing. You can't just get out of making stupid, trollish statements by saying it's "my opinion".
There has to be at least some plausibility to it, if I say my opinion is that the 99-00 Flames are the best team to ever play hockey in the NHL, my "opinion" is obviously that of an idiot or a troll. Which would you like to call yourself? Nobody can objectively look at Wideman's play, salary and minutes and say he is the worst player ever to play for the Flames. You could say he is your most disliked player, and that would be believable, but saying he is the "worst" is not an valid opinion, as you simply cannot stretch the evidence that far.
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Not sure how many people actually remember Kari Eloranta. He was a good skating, puck moving D-man. Terrified of the corners and was useless in front of the net but he was heaps better than these guys:
Charlie Bourgeois
Randy Holt
Carl Mokosak
Gord Wappel
Greg Smyth
Trent Yawney
Mike Peluso
and I still don't know how Brad Marsh was an NHL-cailbre player. He could skate about as well as Peter Worrell.
Sasha Lakovic was absolutely the worst player to ever wear the Flaming "C", and it's not even close. He was a beer league calibre player. He wasn't here very long, but for him to make this team when he did, just goes to show how bad things were at that time.
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Wideman has the potential to go down as the worst signing in Flames history. Right now I'd go with Turek or Bouwmeester. But I could see the Wideman contract looking so bad the next GM has no choice but to buy it out.
I don't know if I could call a contract that cost the Flames nothing but money and cap space (which of course is far from nothing) and turned into a first round pick and 2 prospects 3 and half years later as the worst contract in Flames' history. True, following the same logic Gomez' contract wasn't bad for the Rangers because of Sather's ability to make trades but Bouwmeester's contract was never "untradable" in my opinion.
The team underwhelmed and underperformed once he got here but that's going to happen when you're relying on a past his prime Langkow and a square-peg-in-a-round-hole-struggling Jokinen to make up your top 6 centers. Yep Bouwmeester cost cap space but opportunity cost only matters when there's actually an opportunity. If there wasn't a center that the Flames missed out on because of Bouwmeester it doesn't matter, and I don't think there was. The ones available that would have made a difference cost assets the Flames didn't have.
So Bouwmeester's contract might have cost the Flames Cammalleri (even though Sutter made it clear he thought he was a "small player" and the Jokinen trade had already begun counting down the days). Big whoop. Cammalleri got a worse contract anyways and would likely not have been able to get a 1st round pick+ back.
On the other hand the Flames have had contracts that were negative value. Many of them weren't signed by the Flames but some, say Primeau's, were and cost the Flames not only for the present but future.
So if we got to decide which was the worst contract between one that Flames could have shed at any second for at least a decent package and another that the Flames had to move down in the draft to get rid of, how is it even debatable?
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