Zykov is a year younger, and in his rookie year scored 40 goals/75 points winning the rookie of the years honors. Mantha scored 22 goals/ 51 points in his rookie year. Now while Mantha had a great softmore year jumping to 50 goals/89 points- There's no reason to not believe Zykov will have a great improved softmore year as well as Zykov said himself that he wasn't all that impressed with his rookie year and he wants to improve even more. They are both big, Mantha at 6'4 200 lbs- and Zykov is 6'1 215 lbs. But from what I have read, Zykov has the better physical play, skating, and compete level.
I don't know, I feel there is a huge upside to Zykov that has only been scratched on the surfaced due to him only being a rookie. But, if he tears it up in his softmore year- hits hard, improves his skating, and scores like nuts, he may be an Alex Ovechkin v 2.0 and will be a sick under the radar pick up for who ever gets him.
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I digress on the Zykov being a better skater- just read some more and i think the edge has to be given to Mantha there as they said Zykov's style is a bit unorthodox and needs a better first step. Mind you, he is a rookie so I'm sure he can improve on that aspect.
Lets not forget though. Ryan Hartman. I like him a bit more than Zykov only because he's from what I have read and seen, a better leader. But Zykov would be awesome too. This draft has got me very excited!
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Lets not forget though. Ryan Hartman. I like him a bit more than Zykov only because he's from what I have read and seen, a better leader. But Zykov would be awesome too. This draft has got me very excited!
You got that right, I'm pumped up. What pick do you think Hartman will go though ? and what do you think of Rychel ?
You got that right, I'm pumped up. What pick do you think Hartman will go though ? and what do you think of Rychel ?
I like Rychel, Big, Scores, does it all. For me though, it's all about position for the first round. Flames do not really need to fill the LW as much as RW or C or even D. Getting one of, Rychel, Zykov or Hartman at the St.Louis pick is awesome. Although I do suspect that Hartman will be the only one left at 21-22. Zykov has a ton of upside and Rychel has some serious rising potential.
EDIT: you know what? I bet you Rychel is right on top of the Flames radar. They probably have seen him more than the others simply because the scouts would be watching Seiloff a great amount. So it would not surprise me if they did in fact try to get Rychel.
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I like Rychel, Big, Scores, does it all. For me though, it's all about position for the first round. Flames do not really need to fill the LW as much as RW or C or even D. Getting one of, Rychel, Zykov or Hartman at the St.Louis pick is awesome. Although I do suspect that Hartman will be the only one left at 21-22. Zykov has a ton of upside and Rychel has some serious rising potential.
Interesting, I did some more reading on Hartman and he seems like a good player too. Lots of character. So you think Hartman is going to go after both Zykov and Rychel ? I think Zykov is gonna be a steal, yet rated 29-30 ish. And while I like what I seen and read on Hartman, my only concern was this quote on the site evaluating him-
"Hartman’s style is reminiscent of Ryan Callahan. Potential wise, he could become an excellent second line player capable of playing key minutes against top oppostion and on the PK and PP. He is a pretty safe pick though, as even if he can’t crack the top 6, he will make the NHL in a bottom line capacity."
While I love Callahan, Hartman is not projected as a first line guy. I want a sleeper !! lol and I want pure goal scoring as I think this organization sorely lacks it. And while I think a player like Hartman is needed on every team, I think they can be easily aquired in terms of guys who can do the PK etc like Lance Bouwma, Reinhart, Horak etc. But he seems to have character, so I like that aspect.
I like this kids attitude. Reminds me a little of Sven in his manner.
Yes, I like his attitude too- not your prototypical Russian player. He came here own his own to learn and improve. He definately doesn't strike me as a prima-donna. If he is available with our St.Louis pick, I hope we take him. As I like Rychel too, but I think this kid may be special and the steal of this draft class.
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Yeah but he was still a 1st rounder. I'm talking outside of the 1st round. Last year they butchered the 31st pick on Moroz a grinder who would have been around in the 3rd round or later. Their scouting staff stinks.
It still kills me that they wasted a 3rd round pick on Zach Stortini. It is no secret that the Oilers have severely struggled out of the first round. Other then the Eberle pick you could probably say they haven't fared well out of the top ten. Which speaks directly to why the team has been as atrocious for almost a decade.
Regarding the picks, is it ever exciting seeing the potential talent injection into the prospects pool. I know it may be overly optimistic thinking all three picks are shoe ins to make the Flames in a few years, but looking at the different potential scenarios it is hard not to get giddy.
lot of talk here about the Oilers and how they drafted.
The only reason I can see to be discussing the Oilers is that they along with the Flames have put together the smallest least physical teams in the NHL where the small skilled players can be checked/beaten into submission with no push back.
The Oilers and and the Flames should be targeting the same players in this draft.... guys that have size and grit and can provide room for the Baertschi /Gaudreau/Hudler/ Cammalleri/ RNH / Eberle/Yakopov/ Hemsky/Gagner 's and/or take one or two of their roster spots.
For both teams they are well past the point where they can gamble on smaller guys (90% skill 10% grit) becoming really good as they have no roster spots for them.
lot of talk here about the Oilers and how they drafted.
The only reason I can see to be discussing the Oilers is that they along with the Flames have put together the smallest least physical teams in the NHL where the small skilled players can be checked/beaten into submission with no push back.
The Oilers and and the Flames should be targeting the same players in this draft.... guys that have size and grit and can provide room for the Baertschi /Gaudreau/Hudler/ Cammalleri/ RNH / Eberle/Yakopov/ Hemsky/Gagner 's and/or take one or two of their roster spots.
For both teams they are well past the point where they can gamble on smaller guys (90% skill 10% grit) becoming really good as they have no roster spots for them.
Again...with the turnover of NHL rosters, there's no way they should drafting based on their current roster...that's be stupid, and not even the Oilers are hat stupid.
Again...with the turnover of NHL rosters, there's no way they should drafting based on their current roster...that's be stupid, and not even the Oilers are hat stupid.
Baertschi, Gaudreau, Hudler and Tanguay , Brodie Wideman are likely to be on the Flames roster in 2014-15. Hulder, Tanguay and Wideman have contracts til then and brodie-baertschi and Gaudreau are head and shoulder the best Flames under 22.
These are 6 guys that are more than 80-20 skill over grit and likely long term Flames.
To these guys add Butler and Smith and Stempniak and Cammy and other shorter term fillers and you get a picture of what the Flames need in the pipeline.
You can more easily trade for or pick up as UFA's the Roy's and Tanguay's and Mason Raymonds...... lot harder to get the Sobotka's and Glencross's and Backes
St. L. despite them messing up taking Bouwmeester is what I consider to be the model for the Flames to follow. They are going to miss Davidson over the next few years
Looking at their line up they have Macdonald (gone this year) and Steen 6-1 212 who would be 80-20 skill over grit.
On Defense they are getting softer with Bouwmeester added to Pietragelo and Shattenkirk even though all these guys are reasonably sized.
Dammit, this thread now has me intrigued by Zykov. So many impressive players in the first round of this draft.
Can anyone think of a deal that Feaster could swing that would land us all 30 of the first round picks this year? It would probably take Gaudreau +...
Lol, partially my fault on the Zykov thing. I can't stop putting his name out there- I REALLY want us to get this guy with our St.Louis pick- I'm just scared he goes before that. I don't know why, but I'm freakin' obsessed with this guy. He's got all the tools- big time scoring (rookie season), Rookie of the year, plays a physical game, and just wants to improve after all of that. He has a great attitude and after scoring 40 goals/75 pts in 67 games and 10 goals/9 assists in 19 playoff games and being 6'1 and 215 lbs as a 17 year old- I think he is the diamond in this draft and his upside is through the freakin roof- and he is only a rookie yet !! Man, I should start a fanclub or thread for this guy lol.
Surprised given his 1 point in 55 (granted, he was young on a bad team) then fair but unspectacular followup season that there is not more skepticism about him.
He's been a good player in the AHL, and he looked pretty good in the WHC. He's been on the outs with the Islanders the last year. A change of scenery could be all he needs.
My dream player at #22 is Alex Wennberg. He has a lot of jam to his game. Always skating with his head up which helps him make very intelligent plays. Quick decision making in close. Not a selfish player. Effectively utilizes his body to hit players and separate them from the puck. I think this guy is being overlooked by a lot of people, though he is ranked decent in a lot of lists.
My dream player at #22 is Alex Wennberg. He has a lot of jam to his game. Always skating with his head up which helps him make very intelligent plays. Quick decision making in close. Not a selfish player. Effectively utilizes his body to hit players and separate them from the puck. I think this guy is being overlooked by a lot of people, though he is ranked decent in a lot of lists.
It's more then likely he will not make it to #22, that's probably why no one is talking about him.
My dream player at #22 is Alex Wennberg. He has a lot of jam to his game. Always skating with his head up which helps him make very intelligent plays. Quick decision making in close. Not a selfish player. Effectively utilizes his body to hit players and separate them from the puck. I think this guy is being overlooked by a lot of people, though he is ranked decent in a lot of lists.
Yeah I can't think of any reason that he would be available at 22. All scouts seem to think he's going to be a pretty good offensive player and there doesn't look to be any major concerns that would lead to him sliding. Flames realistically have a better shot at guys like Domi, Horvat, or Shinkaruk sliding to 22 than Wennberg as they all have at least one concern (size, ultimate offensive potential, defensive play).
